1933/34 dual gauge temp sender unit (hose part).

[Graham Freeman]

Hi guys,
I am looking for the part on a 1933/34 dual gauge (new or used) that clamps thru the radiator hose that accepts the sender unit.
Are these being reproduced at all?
Thanks
Graham

[deuce lover]

At one time they were,not anymore. No market for them.

[deuce_roadster]

Not that long ago I got what you are talking about from Randy at a gauge place in Arizona.
The same place that can repair the temp gauge part.

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by Graham Freeman

Hi guys,
I am looking for the part on a 1933/34 dual gauge (new or used) that clamps thru the radiator hose that accepts the sender unit.
Are these being reproduced at all?
Thanks
Graham

[deuce lover]

Thanks deuce roadster , I totally forgot about Randy at RS Gauges.

[Graham Freeman]

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Well I contacted Randy but he is out of stock and his supplier is closed due to Covid, I am not sure if it is temporary or for good.
So, is someone able to post or message me some close up picture and dimensions so I could look at having one made.
Thanks in anticipation.
Graham Freeman

[uncle buck]

Don't the 35-36 and aftermarket water pumps have a threaded port in them?

[uncle buck]

Bob Drake’s water pumps

[David J]

Yes but they are female thread .
The 33-34 fitting is male thread .

Originally Posted by uncle buck

Don't the 35-36 and aftermarket water pumps have a threaded port in them?

[uncle buck]

Originally Posted by David J

Yes but they are female thread .
The 33-34 fitting is male thread .

I see that now in my gauge picture

[fourfords]

OOps

[deuce lover]

Originally Posted by fourfords

Gauge Works, Randy Stebbins 602-928-1746

Read post #6. Out of stock.

[Graham Freeman]

Thanks guys but I need details of the piece that takes the bulb that clamps into the hose.

[DavidG]

Graham,


I believe that this is what you are seeking. Please let know if you want the various dimensions.

[Graham Freeman]

Thanks David,
Yes exactly what i am looking for.
Some close up pictures and dimensions would be great.
Regards
Graham Freeman

[Andy]

The common lower hose heater hose fitting looks similar. Maybe one could be modified?

[uncle buck]

Originally Posted by Andy

The common lower hose heater hose fitting looks similar. Maybe one could be modified?

I was thinking the same thing

[DavidG]

Graham,

Most of the originals that I have encountered were made entirely of brass with the part that fits inside the radiator hose cast to create a lip surrounding the threaded portion to affect a good leak proof seal. Some have steel hex nuts rather than brass.

The dimensions are as follows:
-- the base of the threaded portion that fits inside the radiator hose is 1 1/4" x 1 5/16" with the latter running front to back (I've several and all have that minor variation in their overall dimensions). The raised cross section at the top of the curve from the end view is 9/32". The radius is that of the inside of a upper radiator hose although it works equally well in both V8 and larger B outlet hoses. The 11/16-14 threaded portion is 3/4" and the overall height is 1 1/4". The recessed area above the threads is 3/32" and the inside of the opening at the top is slightly countersunk.

-- the outer portion measures 1 1/8" x 1 1/8". The hole in the center is 3/4". The thinnest cross section is 1/16" thick and the thickest cross section is 3/16"

-- the 11/16-14 hex nut is 1/4" thick and 31/32" across the flats although others have a nut 1 1/8" across the flats.

I'll try for better photos later today, but for the best quality it would be best if I sent them via email. For that, please p.m. me your address.

[Graham Freeman]

David,
Did my email address get to you yesterday by PM?
Graham

[mercman from oz]

1933/34 Dual Gauge Fuel and Temp Sender Unit.

[DavidG]

Graham,


Yes; I'll take more photos tonight.

[hop up]

So is this the fitting that is used? I have a few of the gauges but wondered what fitting is correct to use. I can machine one out of brass but the ones I can find right now are all steel..

[DavidG]

Those are heater hose fittings; an original fitting for the temperature probe is shown in the photo in #14 above. Note the thread area where the gauge is attached.

[hop up]

Thank you DavidG and didn’t see the threads on the brass fitting. I will dig in the drawer to see. It can be made but in 2 pieces and either silver soldered or threaded . So are the originals one piece? It’s hard to tell in the picture .

[DavidG]

The large lower section that inserts into the radiator hose is a one-piece machined brass casting.

[DavidG]

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Here's a better photo.

[mercman from oz]

David, Here is a larger pictures of these connections. Perfect for detail. Thanks for sharing.

[hop up]

Cool thank you for the info and picture

[Graham Freeman]

David,
One more question, the location in the radiator hose of the sender unit when using thermostats is it directly above the left thermostat or up in the upper portion of the hose?
I have conflicting pictures of restored vehicles showing it both locations.
Just want to be sure before cutting into the hose.
Thanks
Graham

[koates]

Graham, The original instruction sheet that came with the gauge states the following ------Remove left radiator hose and with a sharp knife cut a 5/8"hole in hose 3 1/2" from motor end of hose. Wet knife blade for ease in cutting. Note if car is equipped with a thermostat be sure that this hole is between the thermostat and the motor. Also make sure you make a loop in the sender line between the sender unit and where it is clipped above on the left side radiator support rod. This is to compensate for any engine movement or vibration. Regards, Kevin.

[koates]

Graham, you need to know the temperature of the engine coolant below the thermostat especially if the thermostat is still closed. Regards, Kevin.

[DavidG]

Graham,


As Kevin cites from the original instructions.

[deuce lover]

Here are the original instructions.Couldn't figure out how to enlarge it.

[Digger]

What fasteners were used originally to hold the temp wire to the radiator rod? Don’t want to use a black zip tie...

[koates]

Spring steel clips (2 off) blued finish. Third Generation Auto has these reproduced. Regards, Kevin.

[Digger]

I plan on installing my unit into my coupe in a month or two. What is the proper path for the wire, does it go through the firewall where the wiring harness is, and do I need to undo all the wires first?

[koates]

Digger, the temp tube does not go through the firewall with the wiring harness. Original instructions state to drill a one inch dia hole in the dash (firewall) two inches below the left hand radiator tie rod where it attaches to the firewall. I know its a bit of a shock having to drill that hole in an original or restored car. I removed the wiring harness grommet (slide it forward) and managed to push my tube past the harness and then refit the grommet. Take your pick. Regards, Kevin.

[Graham Freeman]

Kevin,
I managed to get mine thru the wiring harness hole no problem.
Just wondered if the instruction sheet above was for 1932 vehicles and not 1933/34 as it appears to show a 4cyl motor.
All diagrams seem to show 3 clips not 2.
3rd generation supply in sets of 3.
Graham

[koates]

Graham, my instruction sheet came with a NOS 33-34 genuine FORD gauge in its original colored ford box. Came with a little pull string bag with the hose fittings and 3 spring clips for the temp capillary tube. Yes 3 is correct. The instructions are for the V8 engine or a four cyl Model 40 as shown in the drawing. The gauge is manufactured by the King- Seeley corp as printed on the instruction sheet. I have owned that gauge for about 50 years and bought it new at a Ford parts dealer in Melbourne in the 1960s. I would not ever fit it to a car. I have other used gauges to use. Regards, Kevin..

[koates]

By the way you should use the original special brass gauge mounting nuts that came with the original gauge. THIRD GENERATION AUTO also has reproductions of those. Regards, Kevin.

[Tinker]

Guess it's why we should not throw anything away. Certainly if it's made of brass.

[Graham Freeman]

Kevin
Would have been a nice item to find even in those days especially down under.
Graham

[koates]

Graham, Ive just been thinking back and remember not only buying the NOS dual temp fuel gauge but also bought a NOS 33-34 oil chex gauge and ammeter in its original box, a pair of NOS aluminium 21 stud made in Canada cylinder heads, 4 NOS FORD water pump repair kits in ford boxes and several new fiber Ford V8 timing gears. Down the back in another building there were about 10 parts racks which used NOS model T Ford running boards for the shelfs around 50 boards in all. So I dismantled the shelves and purchased all the boards as well. Later on I got some new V8 engine valves, valve guides, carby repair kits and head gaskets. Thats about the best luck I have ever had I think. Regards, Kevin.

[Digger]

I have two nice units that work, but on the fluid is now orange, and the other unit it is clear. No point in installing these in my 34’s unless I get the, repaired with red fluid. Can you post again who repairs them. I know it was posted recently but can’t find it. Thanks

[deuce lover]

John Wolf & CO in Willoughby,OH 440-942-0083

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ml3wPh_Hz0teSV


There are others but his turn around time for me was 2 wks.All they did was the temp portion in my gauge.I serviced the fuel gauge and used orig NOS Ford fluid in the fuel gauge.

[highbeams]

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Originally Posted by deuce lover

John Wolf & CO in Willoughby,OH 440-942-0083

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...ml3wPh_Hz0teSV


There are others but his turn around time for me was 2 wks.All they did was the temp portion in my gauge.I serviced the fuel gauge and used orig NOS Ford fluid in the fuel gauge.

Where did you obtain the NOS Ford 'red'? Thanks.

The ongoing fear of using it -

I've commented on this subject, to use . . . or not to use.

I have spoken to a few that supply it, asking, isn't this red stuff fatal?

One reply," Huh! If ya drink it, yes! I've been mixing it and supplying it for decades, and I'm still here."

Still, I'm 'skeerd' ta use it for my '33, thinking, maybe I'll roll up a red-colored paper and 'sleeve it in the glass fuel tube so it appears that the 'red' is in it.

Then adjust a fuel tank float and sender of some kind to connect to accessory under-dash gauge.

BUT:

I am consider'g woodgrain'g the dash; the dash being removed for the woodgraining, then upon replacing the dash, this would be the time to clean up the fuel gauge tube and eye-drop the 'red' with a covid-type face mask at arm's length. (the air line is in and sealed all the way to the gauge connection per the previous owner.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated! If the NOS Ford 'red' is available, from where/who. Thank you.
***

[highbeams]

Where did you obtain the NOS Ford 'red'? Thanks.

The ongoing fear of using it -

I've commented on this subject, to use . . . or not to use.

I have spoken to a few that supply it, asking, isn't this red stuff fatal?

One reply," Huh! If ya drink it, yes! I've been mixing it and supplying it for decades, and I'm still here."

Still, I'm 'skeerd' ta use it for my '33, thinking, maybe I'll roll up a red-colored paper and 'sleeve it in the glass fuel tube so it appears that the 'red' is in it.

Then adjust a fuel tank float and sender of some kind to connect to accessory under-dash gauge.

BUT:

I am consider'g woodgrain'g the dash; the dash being removed for the woodgraining, then upon replacing the dash, this would be the time to clean up the fuel gauge tube and eye-drop the 'red' with a covid-type face mask at arm's length. (the air line is in and sealed all the way to the gauge connection per the previous owner.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated! If the NOS Ford 'red' is available, from where/who. Thank you.
***

[highbeams]

Thanks for all the facts and info!

[petehoovie]

[deuce lover]

I got my NOS fluid (on left) 15 yrs ago off an EBAY auction.Still have enough for 1 gauge but saving it .

[petehoovie]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

I got my NOS fluid (on left) 15 yrs ago off an EBAY auction.Still have enough for 1 gauge but saving it .

[highbeams]

Originally Posted by deuce lover

I got my NOS fluid (on left) 15 yrs ago off an EBAY auction.Still have enough for 1 gauge but saving it .

15 yrs and still has its true color!

[FlatheadTed]

My color came from macs ,no problem with fade .There is a brass fitting that comes from the Brass shops that can have a square washer made for it takes the bulb,got photos some where.