One good reason for turn signals

[philcobill]

We will be installing turn signals in our 29 Special Coupe. That has been on the plans for a while and we are at a point to actually do it. One of the main reasons is the number of other drivers who do not pay attention to hand signals to turn left and right. This past week, I have had two near misses with someone trying to pass me on the left as I am trying to turn left. That is rather unnerving. I remember learning about using your arm for turn signals in drivers ed more than 50 years ago. I guess this is no longer taught. Also, I had always assumed it was illegal to pass at an intersection. Some drivers also seem impatient as I drive our Model A under the speed limit. I am not normally the complaining type, but having near misses like this is rather sobering.

[nkaminar]

Somehow it has become 2023 and not 1930. I love driving my Model A but want to make my experience as safe as possible. I have turn indicators and bright LED rear tail lights. I agree with Phil that they are necessary in this day and age.

[WHN]

Unfortunately it is getting to the point that it can be unsafe to drive real antique cars in todays traffic, with todays drivers.

We live in the country, but it still can be unnerving. A slight finder bender in a modern car, could be a major catastrophe in a Model A or T.

Stay safe.

[Patrick L.]

40 years ago I got tired of getting the single finger salute from all the soccer moms. People do not know or care about hand signals.
So, the Parks, Cowls and Brake lights became LED Turns.

[TerryO]

In addition to a hand signal I pump the brakes to serve as a left turn signal (led tail light). I also plan to install turn signals on all my A's in the future.


TOB

[gary678*]

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I have LED turn signals on the rear,; on club tours drivers behind me remark how bright and visible they are. Definitely an important safety upgrade when driving in today's traffic, not only on busy roads but on low traffic rural roads. SAFETY FIRST!

[Tom Endy]

My opinion, turn signals on a Model A are essential in today's traffic. Few people recognize a hand signal. The attached article was written a number of years ago when I installed turn signals in my Victoria and Bratton's no longer offer the turn signal kit described as the manufacturer went out of business. However, two years ago I was able to buy one of the last he still had in stock for my grandson's 30 Tudor we were restoring. With the addition of LED lights in the back, they provide a clear indication that you are turning or stopping.

If I were installing turn signals on a Model A today, I would mount the indicator lights at the top of the windshield where they are more visible. Since you have to manually cancel the turn signals, I sometimes forget to cancel them as I no longer can clearly hear the buzzer and if not looking down the lights are not noticed.

http://www.santaanitaas.org/wp-conte...rn-Signals.pdf

Tom Endy

[Bob Bidonde]

We cannot be driving our Model A's like they did in the 1930s and be safe. Safety modifications are a must have. Dual taillights and LED turn signals are essential.
When driving, I give the driver behind me a quick look at my brake lights. I also stay in the right hand lane and traffic permitting, I keep my car speed at 40 to 50 MPH.
I use the cowl lights equipped with amber lenses and LED bulbs for front turn signals. Turn signals need to be bright. Four-way emergency flashers are also important, and especially if you are driving the last car in a club convoy.

[Banditorama]

People have always been terrible drivers, but post-covid it seems like they've absolutely lost their minds behind the wheel. I gave up riding motorcycles because I lost the nerve to go out on public roads after several near death experiences. The Model A probably isn't much safer but its a lot more visible in traffic

First thing I did after I got the car drivable was add turn signals. Mine already had the second brake light added, but I'd like to get some brighter LED bulbs and add a third brake light up high. Originality goes out the window when it comes to safety (at least in my opinion).

[AzBob]

Originally Posted by philcobill

I guess this is no longer taught.

Perhaps no longer taught in NY. However, hand signal testing still required in AZ. Below from AZ driver's manual.

This argument that hand signals are no longer used or understood comes up often on the old car forums. I recently quizzed an 18 yr. old. He knew what they were and could demonstrate them.

One will occasionally see motorcyclists, bicyclists and others using them here. Recently saw a Motorcyclist using hand signals.

That being said, I have installed dual tail lights, turn signals and 3rd brake light on my A. In today's traffic, I agree it is a good idea to add these additional safety features to get other driver's attention. Sometimes, I will use both turn and hand signals for "double security"

[Banditorama]

Originally Posted by AzBob

Perhaps no longer taught in NY. However, hand signal testing still required in AZ. Below from AZ driver's manual.

This argument that hand signals are no longer used or understood comes up often on the old car forums. I recently quizzed an 18 yr. old. He knew what they were and could demonstrate them.

One will occasionally see motorcyclists, bicyclists and others using them here. Recently saw a Motorcyclist using hand signals.

That being said, I have installed dual tail lights and turn signals on my A. In today's traffic, I agree that it is a good idea to add dual tail lights, turn signals and brighter lamps to get other driver's attention.

Now find some random person between the age of 25-35 (who isn't into antique cars) and ask them the same question.

Its like math, someone fresh out of high school trigonometry could probably tell you what cosine, sine, and tangent are. But, ask them the same question when they're 5-10 years removed from class and they'll probably just give you a blank stare

If you never use it or see it, you tend to forget it

[jayg48anglia]

I installed turn signals recently on my 29. We live in an "active" 55 community with about 90 miles of roads. Even with the turn signals I have to be sharp, especially at intersections. Something I did which I am surprised no one mentioned is a loud horn. I installed a 150 db small electric 2 note horn. It helps of course mostly after the fact. Sadly people want to hear the original.

[AzBob]

Originally Posted by Banditorama

Now find some random person between the age of 25-35 (who isn't into antique cars) and ask them the same question.

Its like math, someone fresh out of high school trigonometry could probably tell you what cosine, sine, and tangent are. But, ask them the same question when they're 5-10 years removed from class and they'll probably just give you a blank stare

If you never use it or see it, you tend to forget it

The current AZ drivers license test for renewal or new driver has a question on hand signal use. See below.

[Banditorama]

Originally Posted by AzBob

The current AZ drivers license test for renewal or new driver has a question on hand signal use. See below.

Arizona makes you take a test to renew your license? That's actually pretty smart. Here in KY, you just go to the courthouse every 8 years (used to be 4), get your picture taken, and they send the new license in the mail.

You would think the drivers where I am got their license off the back of a cereal box. I had an embarrassing number of people wave at me when I used hand signals thinking I was waving at them. Even had a cop "wave back" to me at a 4 way one time when I was signaling to go left.

[ModelA29]

I put the Logolites on mine recently. I'm happy with them but I should have thought out the placement of the controller better. It's mostly hidden at the upper LH corner of the dash - and somewhat difficult to reach when driving having to reach through or under the steering wheel. I'm considering moving it to the center of the seat riser.
https://www.logolites.com/products/turn-signals/


PS - I too installed the 3rd brake light I figured the drones driving today don't notice a brake light unless they can see it above their phone level.

[Bruce of MN]

I've had driver licenses in Illinois, Minnesota, and Virginia and Illinois is the only state of the bunch that required you to take the written test more than once in your life, every 8 years there. In Minnesota, in 1998, the test machine stopped and passed you as soon as you answered the minimum number right. If you don't have to prove you know the law, how does the public learn about new laws? Starting this year, in Virginia, you have to move away from the lane next to a civilian car with their flashers on, just like for an emergency vehicle with the lights on. Realistically, what percentage of drivers are aware of that?

[WHN]

Originally Posted by Bob Bidonde

We cannot be driving our Model A's like they did in the 1930s and be safe. Safety modifications are a must have. Dual taillights and LED turn signals are essential.
When driving, I give the driver behind me a quick look at my brake lights. I also stay in the right hand lane and traffic permitting, I keep my car speed at 40 to 50 MPH.
I use the cowl lights equipped with amber lenses and LED bulbs for front turn signals. Turn signals need to be bright. Four-way emergency flashers are also important, and especially if you are driving the last car in a club convoy.

Bob:

Not on subject, but I like your car! Looks sharp.

Enjoy.

[Y-Blockhead]

When on tour, I hang my "Slow Moving Vehicle" sign on the back. Not sure if everyone knows what it means but it make for a very large reflector!

I also have turn indicators and a third brake light.



And signage.

[mcgarrett]

For our driver cars, the sooner we give up on this "HAND SIGNALS" thing and move on to real turn signals, the safer we'll all be.

[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by jayg48anglia

I installed turn signals recently on my 29. We live in an "active" 55 community with about 90 miles of roads. Even with the turn signals I have to be sharp, especially at intersections. Something I did which I am surprised no one mentioned is a loud horn. I installed a 150 db small electric 2 note horn. It helps of course mostly after the fact. Sadly people want to hear the original.

I find a lot of other drivers don't recognise the sound of the original horn as a horn. They just don't respond.
Back when I rode a motor cycle, I had a pair of air horns on it. Boy, did that save me a time or two. Not only did an offending driver know I was there but so did everyone in that suburb! In addition to an original horn, I have a pair of 1950s horns mounted under the tray of my farm ute out of sight.
I have turn signals on all of my As and since ours are setup differently from yours, it is easy to have them also act as hazard lights.

[Planojc]

The only hand signal people recognize today is the one finger salute.

[Bob Bidonde]

Soccer moms, drivers using cell phones, drivers texting and drunk drivers scare me the most.

[Marshall V. Daut]

"When on tour, I hang my "Slow Moving Vehicle" sign on the back"

When I was forced to rely upon my 1926 Model T Coupe for main transportation during the early 1980's in Phoenix, Arizona (NOT a small town, by any means!), I bought large plastic stick-on letters and placed them on the spare tire cover to read: "I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you!". That drastically cut down on the number one-finger salutes people flashed as they roared around me. Most people smiled or gave me a thumbs up because of that sign, I believe. Oh, some people still "saluted" me, of course, but not nearly as many as before the spare tire sign went into effect.
Marshall

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

"When on tour, I hang my "Slow Moving Vehicle" sign on the back"

When I was forced to rely upon my 1926 Model T Coupe for main transportation during the early 1980's in Phoenix, Arizona (NOT a small town, by any means!), I bought large plastic stick-on letters and placed them on the spare tire cover to read: "I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you!". That drastically cut down on the number one-finger salutes people flashed as they roared around me. Most people smiled or gave me a thumbs up because of that sign, I believe. Oh, some people still "saluted" me, of course, but not nearly as many as before the spare tire sign went into effect.
Marshall

Marshall, Anything to get their attention, right? I also have the magnetic "Patient" sign on the back.

[Tinbasher]

One of the members in our club purchased a set of Magnetic LED turnsignals that are used on bicyles. They are rechargeable and wireless. a controlled goes inside the car. They work quite well and when your at a judging show or something you can pop them off.
Google them. Around $100.00US $200.00 Canadian.LOL

[Bruce of MN]

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A “Student Driver “ sticker would be humorous!

[shew01]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

A “Student Driver “ sticker would be humorous!

I have one of those for my car. It doesn’t seem to make much difference.

My pet peeve is when a car will pull up close behind me at a stoplight on a hill. They don’t expect my car to drift backwards a little as I get started from a dead stop facing uphill.


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[Synchro909]

Originally Posted by shew01

I have one of those for my car. It doesn’t seem to make much difference.

My pet peeve is when a car will pull up close behind me at a stoplight on a hill. They don’t expect my car to drift backwards a little as I get started from a dead stop facing uphill.


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Ditto. I find that is not just young drivers, even those who should know better do it. I think they are totally unaware that a car of this age doesn't have an automatic transmission.

[lrf]

Somewhere in a past post someone suggested "CarryBright" (carrybright.com) LED turn signals that usually go on a bicycle. I bought a set of their remote control directional indicators, maybe cost $60. They work fantastic! You charge the 4 LED turn signals, and the remote. I mounted the four turn indicator brackets on each corner of my '30 Tudor bumpers with black wire ties. The indicators easily slip into the brackets. The remote also has to be charged, has a left and right button, makes a beeping noise reminder and automatically shuts-off after 20 seconds (sometimes not long enough when waiting for a light). My remote is rubber banded, (which are included) onto the steering wheel spoke making it easy access. These lights are VERY bright. I'm now not afraid to drive at night with these turn signals, LED pre-focused headlights, and LED tailights.

[philcobill]

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

"When on tour, I hang my "Slow Moving Vehicle" sign on the back"

When I was forced to rely upon my 1926 Model T Coupe for main transportation during the early 1980's in Phoenix, Arizona (NOT a small town, by any means!), I bought large plastic stick-on letters and placed them on the spare tire cover to read: "I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you!". That drastically cut down on the number one-finger salutes people flashed as they roared around me. Most people smiled or gave me a thumbs up because of that sign, I believe. Oh, some people still "saluted" me, of course, but not nearly as many as before the spare tire sign went into effect.
Marshall

Yes, I have to acknowledge that many people including drivers actually enjoy seeing old cars on the road. I am constantly encouraged by folks walking along the streets and even by a few drivers to honk the ahooga horn. The vast majority of drivers give our Little Willie wide berth. That is one reason I enjoy driving him. Unfortunately there are a few folks out there who don't seem to understand, and all it takes is one driver to ruin everything.

Tell me more about the sign; I am curious. Do you have a photo of it? I love the idea and also the idea of the slow moving vehicle triangle sign.

[philcobill]

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Marshall, Anything to get their attention, right? I also have the magnetic "Patient" sign on the back.

I love it!

[Bruce of MN]

This is from decades ago, but in some state, it was illegal to display that slow vehicle sign if you weren't really slow. This is the best I could find:
https://nasdonline.org/1649/d001533/...ow-moving.html

[Marshall V. Daut]

"Tell me more about the sign; I am curious. Do you have a photo of it?"

If you are referring to my spare tire message, I'll look through a couple boxes of old car photos I have taken over the past 60 years. Maybe there is a photo of that sign. TBD over the weekend...
M.

[philcobill]

[QUOTE=Bruce of MN;2252308]This is from decades ago, but in some states, it was illegal to display that slow vehicle sign if you weren't really slow. /QUOTE]


Here in New York, they are required if you drive on expressways less than 45 MPH. They might be required in other situations as well.

[Big hammer]

Signage and lights are over rated! Most drivers just don’t pay attention! Drive like everyone is trying to hurt you! Many times people will look at you and pull out in front of you, in a modern car or in my A. I drive looking 50-50 looking out of the windshield and looking in the rearview mirrors. When I was driving motorcycles this is what I did and developed a since on who was going to hurt/kill me. Drive safe this coming long weekend drive defensively !!!!!

[Ed in Maine]

I had just finished a 26 year period of finding parts and restoring my 1932 Five Window Coupe painted in Washington Blue and took it out for a short ride to show a friend. I had traveled about 5 miles from home, made a left turn hand signal for my friend's driveway and suddenly I heard the person behind me go into passing gear to pass me. I was lucky I had my window down to hear him. It was like Philcobill's situation exactly. Fortunately, I forgot about my friend and went straight ahead. Modern turn signals are an absolute must today. Ed

[stevemclark]

My sister gave me a hard time when I added turn signals(two element cowl lights plus a right side brake light). She said hand signals were fine with grandpa when he drove it.I told her that was 1951 when he bought the car and try hand signals for a left turn in a hard rain storm at night.

[Patrick L.]

I adapted an extra tail light to a third stop light and leather strapped it on the spare tire. With LEDs these 3 lights are bright.

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Patrick L.

I adapted an extra tail light to a third stop light and leather strapped it on the spare tire. With LEDs these 3 lights are bright.

I have my third brake light on my spare also. It flashes 4-5 times then stays on. Altho the lense is clear it is filled with 12 RED LEDs.

[Y-Blockhead]

Adjustable third brake light flasher module I use. It is mounted by the brake light switch. My system is 12 volt.

https://www.amazon.com/United-Pacifi...er%2Caps%2C145

[nkaminar]

I drove the 29 Fordor that I have been working on around Wilkesboro today. Now Wilkesboro is a small town and most people drive courteously. But still I had to be careful. The car has one rear view mirror in the center of the windshield, no turn indicators, and one tail light. I am not sure the brake light is working. I kept reaching for the turn indicators and getting the spark control rod instead. I really missed my side mirrors. The car is stock so not speedy. It makes me appreciate all the safety things that I have on my car. I am going to recommend some add ons to the owner of the 29.

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

A “Student Driver “ sticker would be humorous!