Dry lubricant for leaf springs

[Bruce]

Anyone have experience using a dry film lubricant between the leaves of a new spring? It is a product, like thread locker, that wasn't available back in the day. It is slickery, stays in place, and doesn't attract dirt -- could it be the answer to squeeky, worn leaf springs?
Here's what a vendor (top of my GOOGLE search) says about their product

With our aerosol-can formulations, after merely spraying onto a surface and drying (which takes only a minute or so), the lubricant is attached to the surface and reduces friction while increasing wear-lifetime -- operating from low-temperature up to very-high temperatures [cryogenic up to 1000 C].

Thicknesses applied vary from less than a mil [<0.001 inch] upward. The aerosol dry-film lubricants bond to most any substrate -- metals, ceramics, glasses, plastics:

• Stop galling/cold-welding/binding of metal surfaces
• Adhere to surfaces that liquids/greases etc. cannot be used
• Reduce friction and ease sliding motion when two surfaces contact each other
• Prevent problems with dirt, dust, and other things that stick to liquids/greases
• Are clean and easy-to-use
• Applicable at temperatures where liquids/greases are not possible to use, such as very-low temperatures (cryogenic) and temperatures over a few-hundred degrees Centigrade
• Have no issues with 'flashing' or burning after they are applied and dried.
  

[Tacoma Bob]

Penophite from the Kroil folks travels horizontally. I would suggest giving it a helping hand by unloading the spring letting the lubricant travel a bit easier.

[Glenn C.]

Graphite dry lubricant in the spray cans works great between the spring leaves. Of course you have to separate the spring leaves to accomplish your objective.
Spring surfaces should be cleaned before application.
Graphite Spray lubricants are available at any jobber or farm machinery dealership.

[MrTube]

I've never tried it but I wonder how Bel-ray dry chain lube for motorcycles would work. It comes out as a liquid and dries as a white dust almost. Kind of like lithium grease except it comes out much thinner and actually dries. I use it in chains (obviously) as well as door hinges, windshield wiper linkage as well as anything else that needs lubrication in wet and dusty environments.

[Larry Seemann]

For many years I've been using Slip-Plate with no complaints. It comes in a spray can and goes on like gray spray paint, but is actually graphite. It used to be a John Deere product but I think that's changed. You do have to disassemble and clean the leaves before applying.

[Russ/40]

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I used the Graphite spray on my springs after reworking them. The stuff is real nice to work with. It dries very fast, and adheres quite well. My car is not on the road yet, but I did jump up and down on the front horns, and was amazed at how smooth and free the suspension was. GOOD STUFF! I understand it works really well as an exhaust manifold spray also. It is a very attractive finish that will not burn off.

[Pete]

I Parkerize the spring leaves first and then spray them with ZepDryMoly.
It is a spray on stuff similar to graphite but is collodial molybdenem disulfide. It sticks better than the graphite products.
And no, I don't know where to get it any more.

[Herb Concord Ca]

Hi Bruce, I just rebuilt my front and rear springs and I used a graphite spray made by Mc Kay. Dries real quick. Got it at a auto parts store.

[Marco Tahtaras]

When I did my Roadster years ago I used a "high tech" version that was backed on in a large oven (helps to have friends). I'm not sure it's that much better then Slip Plate from Superior Graphite. They also package it for other companies like John Deer.

In my opinion it's better to buy the brush-on version (it can still be sprayed) in pint or quart cans. A little build is better. The reason is the cross section of the spring leaves is cupped on both upper an lower surfaces meaning they are thickest along the edges. A little "fill" with a thicker application of slip plate should be beneficial. I would guess one brush coat of graphite would produce a film like five coats from a spray can.

[pwh]

If they haven't changed the name, John Deere Slip Plate works great. Just be sure to clean the leaves good and spray it on.

[livingstone]

Slip Plate is also available at online at www.slipplate.com or at Grainger and NAPA Auto Stores. Their on-line sites definitely carry it too. Just type in the key word "Slip Plate" or "Graphite"

[Tom Endy]

I did both of my cars a number of years ago. I removed both springs, took them apart, bead blasted them, and ground the witness marks out of them. I then coated the mating surfaces with Slip plate in a spray can by John Deer. It goes on like paint and dries and leaves a dry lubricated surface. When bolted together the excess squeezed out the sides. I wiped off the sides with solvent and painted the entire assembly.

I am pleased with the results. There are no squeeks, and the springs stay relatively clean.

Later I discovered that the John Deer dealers here in California no longer carried the product. I think it is a Califorina clean air issue. I was able to locate the product in Chicago. Superior Graphite www.superiorgraphite.com . I ordered a case of it for our club and when received it had the exact same label on the can except all reference to John Deer was missing.

Bratton's carry a similar product, part number 7250.

Tom Endy

[Gary/IA]

My experience with slip-plate is that it does provide a form of lubrication-up to a point. In an application where it can be reapplied on a regular basis it works great but it does wear off pretty rapidly leaving bare metal at points of friction. I used to use it on the large circle gear on a road grader, it really needed to be applied regularly to prevent wear.

The last springs that I recently did, I cleaned,painted, and applied Mystic jt6 grease. I plan to periodically lube the springs with oil and cover with spring covers. I believe this is the best way to prevent them squeaking and rusting. I am assuming that the applied oil will migrate into the springs. Our area experiences wet weather so our springs get a lot of abuse.

Your results may vary.

[Bruce Adams]

I use PTFE Dry Teflon Lubricant and it seems to work well.
It is an amazing space age lubricant.
It doesn't permit dirt to stick, is not greasy, and doesn't wash off.
How can it go wrong?
It also prevents galling as its the best thing to use on Stainless to stainless turnbuckles and such. I DO now use silicon bronze turnbuckles on stainless threaded rods to absolutely prevent galling, but I still use Super Lube grease there, and Super Lube spray on my leaf springs and other places around the Model A like the door wher I want slip without filth.

[Rich in Tucson]

For those of you who have used any form of brush or spray-on dry film lubricant (particularly spray Slip-Plate which I have):

A - Did you paint the springs before coating?

B - Did you paint the springs after coating and assembly?

If B, how did you keep the Slip-Plate from the spring sides or can it be painted over?

I was planning to assemble cleaned leaves, paint springs as an assembly, then disassemble to apply the Slip-Plate, or is that unnecessary work? Thanks.

[dave in australia]

A product in Oz that my father uses on his A springs and I use on my springs is Molybond 122L. It comes as an aerosol and dries after about 2 min. No complaints so far.

[redmodelt]

I make my own slip plate, rustolium and powered graphite. I paint on the under side of only the contact area of the spring, assemble then paint the whole spring. I just add the graphite till I think the pint can has enough and maybe a bit more. When it drys, looks gray like someone has rubbed it with a pencil. I got idea when reading how Ford make the same stuff in the Model T era.

[Brubaker]

The Tractor Supply Company has a paintable graphite(EZ Glide) that I've had good luck with. A pint was only ~$14 and change. Dries quick. Nice thick coating.

[Cool Hand Lurker]

If you are not going to disassemble your springs and just want to lube them with an oil can occasionally then graphite probably won't wick into the space between the leaves. I use an oil designed for lubing the "ways" on a metal lathe so it is designed for sliding situations rather than rotating situations. You can get it at McMaster-Carr or ENCO or probably have it ordered from an auto parts store. I use Mobil Way Lube.

[skryla]

Originally Posted by Rich in Tucson

For those of you who have used any form of brush or spray-on dry film lubricant (particularly spray Slip-Plate which I have):

A - Did you paint the springs before coating?

B - Did you paint the springs after coating and assembly?

If B, how did you keep the Slip-Plate from the spring sides or can it be painted over?

I was planning to assemble cleaned leaves, paint springs as an assembly, then disassemble to apply the Slip-Plate, or is that unnecessary work? Thanks.

I didn't see a response to the above and have my springs apart. Any thoughts?

[Pete]

"Originally Posted by Rich in Tucson
For those of you who have used any form of brush or spray-on dry film lubricant (particularly spray Slip-Plate which I have):

A - Did you paint the springs before coating?

B - Did you paint the springs after coating and assembly?

If B, how did you keep the Slip-Plate from the spring sides or can it be painted over?

I was planning to assemble cleaned leaves, paint springs as an assembly, then disassemble to apply the Slip-Plate, or is that unnecessary work? Thanks."

A- No
B-Yes
As noted in an earlier post, I use ZepDryMoly on the spring rub surfaces and wipe the surface to be painted with lacquer thinner before painting. The overspray will come off easily.
ZepDryMoly is far superior to graphite sprays because of the molybdenum disulfide in it.
It can be obtained many places including Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/ZEP-Dry-Moly-F.../dp/B00C6Q5EZM

[perrysmith]

I would only paint the friction surfaces with the coating you use. Then I would assemble the spring and paint it as an assembly. Do not know that this is the best technique, however.

[TinCup]

1. Yes I did paint my springs before coating
2. Yes I painted the springs after coating on the sides only.
3. Do not be concerned with painting over it.

[midgetracer]

I did not paint the springs before coating. I painted the assembled spring after coating. I brushed the slip glide graphite on and only wiped the excess off the outside of the assembled spring. I painted right over the areas that had graphite residue. It looked great, the spring s ride better than any I have done another way. I will do all of mine this way from here on.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by midgetracer

I did not paint the springs before coating. I painted the assembled spring after coating. I brushed the slip glide graphite on and only wiped the excess off the outside of the assembled spring. I painted right over the areas that had graphite residue. It looked great, the spring s ride better than any I have done another way. I will do all of mine this way from here on.

If you put 1/16 Teflon or UHMW strips between the 4 bottom leaves, you will be amazed at how much softer the ride is over what you have now.

By the way, I used to race midgets also.

[Mike V. Florida]

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Originally Posted by Pete

By the way, I used to race midgets also.

They prefer to be called little people!

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Tom Endy

... I discovered that the John Deer dealers here in California no longer carried the product. I think it is a Califorina clean air issue. I was able to locate the product in Chicago. Superior Graphite www.superiorgraphite.com . I ordered a case of it for our club and when received it had the exact same label on the can except all reference to John Deer was missing.

Bratton's carry a similar product, part number 7250.

Tom Endy

NAPA has it, part # 330403

[TinCup]

They sell the spray as well as the roll on quarts. I prefer the quarts and use a 3 inch roller.

[QGolden]

Originally Posted by Pete

If you put 1/16 Teflon or UHMW strips between the 4 bottom leaves, you will be amazed at how much softer the ride is over what you have now.

By the way, I used to race midgets also.

This is what I did, front and rear, (Teflon, not midgets.... )

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida

They prefer to be called little people!

Hee hee, I love it.

[Lawrie]

On my 34 which rode like a dog,I took the springs apart,cleaned them,layed chassis grease between each leave and put graphite powder in between each leave as well,the assembled the spring and wrapped it in DENSO tape,it now rides like a dream.
Lawrie

[lasjts]

After reading so many opinions on the various posts here is what I conclude:

1. Disassemble and wire brush well
2. Relieve the sharp edge on the ends of each leaf with a grinder
3. Brush on a coat of "Jasco Metal Prep" per instructions
4. Spray on a very light coat of primer (etching is what i use)
5. Brush on a good coat of "Slip-Plate" on the mating surfaces only
6. Assemble and finish spray the unit the color of your choice

[jerseyboy]

Originally Posted by lasjts

After reading so many opinions on the various posts here is what I conclude:

1. Disassemble and wire brush well
2. Relieve the sharp edge on the ends of each leaf with a grinder
3. Brush on a coat of "Jasco Metal Prep" per instructions
4. Spray on a very light coat of primer (etching is what i use)
5. Brush on a good coat of "Slip-Plate" on the mating surfaces only
6. Assemble and finish spray the unit the color of your choice

Missed a step, smooth out any grooves in the leaves.

Keep V-8ing and 4-banging!

[JackA]

My mentor, an old time mechanic, taught me a trick about squeaky springs. Unload them until you get a gap between the leaves and put a penny on the bearing spot. No squeak! Better hurry though, Canada just did away with pennies, can the US be far behind?

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by JackA

My mentor, an old time mechanic, taught me a trick about squeaky springs. Unload them until you get a gap between the leaves and put a penny on the bearing spot. No squeak! Better hurry though, Canada just did away with pennies, can the US be far behind?

Today's pennies are zinc with a very thin copper plating, so you'd be better off with a thin piece of copper stock from the hardware store. I'll stick with grease and graphite sprinkled on the grease.