Deuce Front Axle

[Krylon32]

Curious what the price is for a stock mint condition (Deuce Heavy) axle?

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Krylon32

Curious what the price is for a stock mint condition (Deuce Heavy) axle?

I've purchased two of what I would consider to be "mint" axles. One was from you approx. 4 years ago and I believe it was $500 shipped to NJ.

The other I bought at Hershey last year and I paid $400 for that one. It was painted, but has old chrome under the paint.

I've gotten really nice ones from anywhere between $100-275. I was willing to pay up for "perfect" ones.

If this is in reference to your dropped axle for sale, parts ain't moving unless they are cheap or uber rare. The market is really soft right now.

Kind of related, I bought a V8 60 tube axle for $375 and it's being delivered to Hershey.
The price of these axles generally run similar to '32 axles.

I see you have an Instagram account. I would suggest you start posting on there as well. Parts tends to sell quicker on there then they do on internet forums.

Plus, once you get "known", there are guys who have a lot of followers will repost your add to get it in front of more eyes. If you go this route, be prepared to take Paypal. Being able to receive money quickly and easily is what it's all about.

Sending Postal Money orders, etc is old tech and people don't want to be hassled with that.

[Krylon32]

Thanks Tim. Yes I was gathering current information. I paid $500 for the mint core that is this axle plus $50 shipping. Greg/Anson gets $275 to drop and it's $50 each way on the brown truck. That's $925. I guess in our current world buyers expect you to sell at a loss or let it sit in the corner. I will be facing that big time in the spring when I put my latest Flathead powered bare metal deuce roadster on the market built with nothing but the best parts/no corners cut. I sold a really nice V8 60 tube to the Bones last year $600 delivered to the Marquette/Bonneville lunch.

[DavidG]

I'd sure like to meet the person who started the misinformation about 1932 Ford passenger car/commercial vehicles and read them the riot act. There was only one front axle used in '32 production. It is neither heavy nor light, it is just a '32 front axle. Presumably how it got started was when someone's front axle had been replaced with either the '33 or '34 version, the latter became the service replacement starting in 1934, and a subsequent owner assumed that it was an original '32 front axle.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Krylon32

Thanks Tim. Yes I was gathering current information. I paid $500 for the mint core that is this axle plus $50 shipping. Greg/Anson gets $275 to drop and it's $50 each way on the brown truck. That's $925. I guess in our current world buyers expect you to sell at a loss or let it sit in the corner. I will be facing that big time in the spring when I put my latest Flathead powered bare metal deuce roadster on the market built with nothing but the best parts/no corners cut. I sold a really nice V8 60 tube to the Bones last year $600 delivered to the Marquette/Bonneville lunch.

Yeah, it is certainly tough right now, but the cars I've seen that you've built, I'm sure it will trend towards the higher side of the market price.

You've built some really nice cars.

[Tim Ayers]

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Originally Posted by DavidG

I'd sure like to meet the person who started the misinformation about 1932 Ford passenger car/commercial vehicles and read them the riot act. There was only one front axle used in '32 production. It is neither heavy nor light, it is just a '32 front axle. Presumably how it got started was when someone's front axle had been replaced with either the '33 or '34 version, the latter became the service replacement starting in 1934, and a subsequent owner assumed that it was an original '32 front axle.

I'm guessing it's was a swap meet thing. I'd assume it was an easy way for folks to identify what the axle is.

Can it be proven that either the really early or very late production '32's all used the '32 axle? I thought I've read stories of reportedly total original cars not having what is known as a heavy axle.

[34fordy]

Originally Posted by DavidG

I'd sure like to meet the person who started the misinformation about 1932 Ford passenger car/commercial vehicles and read them the riot act. There was only one front axle used in '32 production. It is neither heavy nor light, it is just a '32 front axle. Presumably how it got started was when someone's front axle had been replaced with either the '33 or '34 version, the latter became the service replacement starting in 1934, and a subsequent owner assumed that it was an original '32 front axle.

With respect,
It sure was not me David LOL. So-- Is the 33/34 axle "lighter" and if so do you feel it makes any difference in durability?

[Krylon32]

Deuce Heavy is just terminology used to identify a part, nothing to get excited about.

[Kube]

I believe that many, most, would do well to digest DavidG's posts. There is little doubt the man has forgotten more about '32 - '34 Fords than any other man has even known.
I have never read a single post by the man that suggests he is "excited". Rather, I read his posts to learn.
This conversation in regard to heavy axles reminds me of the all too numerous times I have attempted to explain to folks that Ford never made a '40 Ford Opera Coupe.
Why I continue in my attempts to teach, well, I wonder.
While some folks are incapable of new learning it appears others simply resist the effort required.
I feel saddest for the latter group.

[DavidG]

Why do you need a qualifying word when it is simply a '32 axle. Would you describe a '33 axle as "medium '33" given that it is slightly heavier than a '34 axle, aka "light '34"? Visually, it clearly unique from it's two younger siblings.


Tim,

Sure, just ask the Benson Ford Research Center to come up an engineering drawing for a different axle and a engineering release form to demonstrate that it was released for use in production. I will grant you that all three ('32, '33, and '34) front axles carry the same part number, but that's because they are all the same functionally. But the drawings and release forms all will have dates that clearly put them in different model years.

Very few of us have had the privilege to buy a '32 Ford from the first owner, so few can say with certainty that their car is all original down to the last nut and bolt.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Why do you need a qualifying word when it is simply a '32 axle. Would you describe a '33 axle as "medium '33" given that it is slightly heavier than a '34 axle, aka "light '34"? Visually, it clearly unique from it's two younger siblings.


Tim,

Sure, just ask the Benson Ford Research Center to come up an engineering drawing for a different axle and a engineering release form to demonstrate that it was released for use in production. I will grant you that all three ('32, '33, and '34) front axles carry the same part number, but that's because they are all the same functionally. But the drawings and release forms all will have dates that clearly put them in different model years.

Very few of us have had the privilege to buy a '32 Ford from the first owner, so few can say with certainty that their car is all original down to the last nut and bolt.

Makes sense, David. In all of your research, have you ever come across as to why Ford changed the design of the '32 axle to the thinner in appearance axle for the '33-'34 model years?

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think an undropped '32 axle is one of the nicest looking axles Ford produced.

[deuce_roadster]

I agree with DavidG the nomenclature about 32 axles today is stupid. My understanding is it came from a misprinted either Rod & Custom or Rod Action magazine article (which I have seen) that showed pictures of axles starting with a 32, the next one instead of labelling 33-36 was labeled 32-36 implying there was a "light" 32 axle that looked different. The 32 axle resides in every untouched 32 unless it was replaced along the way because of damage with a later service replacement.

[DavidG]

Tim,


I've not found any stated rationale for the change, but my best guess is the usual reason, namely a cost savings (given that less steel is used). I do not think that the changes compromised the axles' durability. I agree wholeheartedly that the '32 front axle is a 'looker' compared to those before it and those that followed.


My other nomenclature pet peeve is "mast jacket" for steering column tube. Where's the sail?

[tubman]

Or the sleeves, for that matter.

[Krylon32]

In the future I will reference them only as a 32 axle and clarify it with a potential buyer if asked.

[rich b]

Well, they are about a pound & half heavier.��

[DavidG]

than the other '32 axles?

[itslow]

Originally Posted by Tim Ayers

I've gotten really nice ones from anywhere between $100-275. I was willing to pay up for "perfect" ones...

In the ~15 or so years that I've been paying attention to '32 axles, I don't think I've ever run across a "really nice" one for as little as $275; especially not for $100.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by itslow

In the ~15 or so years that I've been paying attention to '32 axles, I don't think I've ever run across a "really nice" one for as little as $275; especially not for $100.

The first one I bought was $100. That was in the early 2000's. The $275 axle I bought was at Hershey approx. 5 years ago. The gentleman was pulling it out of station wagon as I walking by. I asked him how much and he said $275. I paid him and kept walking. I guess I've been lucky.

Some of my friends have paid as little as $50 for nice examples. They are out there. Just need to beat the bushes a bit.

But as I mentioned, I've paid up to $500 for mint examples. Still having the casting/part numbers in the webbing is a real bonus to me.

[uncle buck]

Originally Posted by DavidG

Why do you need a qualifying word when it is simply a '32 axle. Would you describe a '33 axle as "medium '33" given that it is slightly heavier than a '34 axle, aka "light '34"? Visually, it clearly unique from it's two younger siblings.


Tim,

Sure, just ask the Benson Ford Research Center to come up an engineering drawing for a different axle and a engineering release form to demonstrate that it was released for use in production. I will grant you that all three ('32, '33, and '34) front axles carry the same part number, but that's because they are all the same functionally. But the drawings and release forms all will have dates that clearly put them in different model years.

Very few of us have had the privilege to buy a '32 Ford from the first owner, so few can say with certainty that their car is all original down to the last nut and bolt.

David, If I am reading this correctly , there is a unique axle in '33 ? Is there a link with all 3 axles side by side for comparison? We are learning here every day...