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mot · 06-30-2012, 01:17 PM

I bought a pile of model A parts
i got five pairs of nice floorboard brackets(they are not stamped like the repos)
but two have me stumped
the hole spacing is exactly like the larger ones and the end is sheared off,not sawed off
the large ones have remenents of the original black paint
all the other parts i got were in great shape and original
and im sure the other brackets are original

Marco Tahtaras · 06-30-2012, 03:06 PM

This was from the low mileage 82-A Closed Cab Express where all my cab pics came from. Note it's an early '29 board just after the transition from hardwood floor boards. Obviously later boards had the full length straps more commonly found. Also note that the straps were 1-1/8" wide until mid-'31 (my best estimate based on an INSUFFICIENT sampling), when the width was reduced to 7/8" if I recall correctly.

Marco Tahtaras · 06-30-2012, 03:30 PM

I never thought about it until now, but here is a thought that makes sense. When they moved the brake lever to the right and widened the cutout over the transmission AND angled the battery access hole, the floor board was weakened significantly and the longer straps would be needed.

Now I realize we need to get input from folks with early-mid '29 cars with original floor boards to determine just when the battery hole was angled. I'm assuming it was before the transmission and E-brake change. If so were the straps changed at that time or when the brake lever was moved?

peters180a/170b · 06-30-2012, 03:39 PM

This is the first time you make me think about it. But then again i stay with "A's in mid 1930 for most of my life...Gotta get out of the box and start looking at 28/29 "A's. As of late i am working on a 1930 Briggs fordor standard build in Nov 1929 and see the changes.. How do i always find the mid or change over cars..or was Ford always changing???L.O.L.[I have cast pot metal outside door handles,no eyebrow fenders but flat screw heads holding the fronts on to the frame. I am surprised the original pop out still works ,and yes a original glass filter bowl . New standards show all 1930 cars had the glass bowl and was used as early as Nov.1929.

Rich in Tucson · 06-30-2012, 04:50 PM

Mot, can you post the dimensions for those rivets? And can you all comment on the size of the rivet heads? I once posted (on old Barn) a photo and measurements of rivets on an original brace that appeared identical to those shown but was told they were incorrect.

Marco Tahtaras · 07-01-2012, 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 329s

February 1929 Tudor Sedan has the ANGLED hole for the battery and takes the LONG plate in the floorboard.

Has two short and two long metal straps.

Pluck

Do you mean the later fat battery cover? Although you didn't mention an important point, am I correct in assuming they ARE NOT plywood floorboards?

Tom Wesenberg · 07-01-2012, 07:43 AM

My 2-23-29 Tudor has the original dovetailed boards with the slanted battery cover hole. 2 long and 2 short metal brackets.

mot · 07-01-2012, 11:34 AM

wow, still learning every day
looks like the JS needs a major rewrite here

here are some photos of the rivet heads
all the heads are right at 1/2 in plus or minus .001
the working length is about 7/8
hope the photos help
tom

329s · 07-01-2012, 12:18 PM

Let me start again...

Upon further inspection this morning in the light...

February 1929 Tudor Sedan;

Hardwood floorboards (dovetailed);

Long, narrow battery cover in stright position;

Notches in rear board for the early braking system assembly on center crossmember (which this car does not have);

Four long metal strips, all attached with four screws each (two stright, two stright and angled at the ends.

Cut for the center push button emergency brake handle.

Pluck

Tudortomnz · 07-02-2012, 02:11 AM

I've had the boards out today, so could get a good look at them. Late '29 Canadian RHD Tudor [''danged forraiin A Model'' !], has front mounted 'squeeze'handbrake[ Canada kept on using them] & top board is notched for the speedo cable .Boards are in sections [tongue grooved ] with straight cut 3 1/8" batt. hole with 4 1/8"by 9 1/4" cover.Board edges have webbing tacked on. There are two 15 3/4"by 1 1/8" metal struts, curved ended where the top board fits in.The cutouts for RHD pedals look like they were done in a hurry.The top board is still in great condition but the big floorboard has split in places. Screws holding the boards in are Robertson with cups.

06-30-2012, 03:06 PM	#2
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: floor board brackets This was from the low mileage 82-A Closed Cab Express where all my cab pics came from. Note it's an early '29 board just after the transition from hardwood floor boards. Obviously later boards had the full length straps more commonly found. Also note that the straps were 1-1/8" wide until mid-'31 (my best estimate based on an INSUFFICIENT sampling), when the width was reduced to 7/8" if I recall correctly. __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/ Last edited by Marco Tahtaras; 06-30-2012 at 03:16 PM.

06-30-2012, 03:30 PM	#3
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: floor board brackets I never thought about it until now, but here is a thought that makes sense. When they moved the brake lever to the right and widened the cutout over the transmission AND angled the battery access hole, the floor board was weakened significantly and the longer straps would be needed. Now I realize we need to get input from folks with early-mid '29 cars with original floor boards to determine just when the battery hole was angled. I'm assuming it was before the transmission and E-brake change. If so were the straps changed at that time or when the brake lever was moved? __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/

06-30-2012, 03:39 PM	#4
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: floor board brackets This is the first time you make me think about it. But then again i stay with "A's in mid 1930 for most of my life...Gotta get out of the box and start looking at 28/29 "A's. As of late i am working on a 1930 Briggs fordor standard build in Nov 1929 and see the changes.. How do i always find the mid or change over cars..or was Ford always changing???L.O.L.[I have cast pot metal outside door handles,no eyebrow fenders but flat screw heads holding the fronts on to the frame. I am surprised the original pop out still works ,and yes a original glass filter bowl . New standards show all 1930 cars had the glass bowl and was used as early as Nov.1929.

06-30-2012, 04:50 PM	#5
Rich in Tucson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 374	Re: floor board brackets Mot, can you post the dimensions for those rivets? And can you all comment on the size of the rivet heads? I once posted (on old Barn) a photo and measurements of rivets on an original brace that appeared identical to those shown but was told they were incorrect.

07-01-2012, 07:43 AM	#7
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: floor board brackets My 2-23-29 Tudor has the original dovetailed boards with the slanted battery cover hole. 2 long and 2 short metal brackets.

07-01-2012, 12:18 PM	#9
329s Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 239	Re: floor board brackets Let me start again... Upon further inspection this morning in the light... February 1929 Tudor Sedan; Hardwood floorboards (dovetailed); Long, narrow battery cover in stright position; Notches in rear board for the early braking system assembly on center crossmember (which this car does not have); Four long metal strips, all attached with four screws each (two stright, two stright and angled at the ends. Cut for the center push button emergency brake handle. Pluck

07-02-2012, 02:11 AM	#10
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: floor board brackets I've had the boards out today, so could get a good look at them. Late '29 Canadian RHD Tudor [''danged forraiin A Model'' !], has front mounted 'squeeze'handbrake[ Canada kept on using them] & top board is notched for the speedo cable .Boards are in sections [tongue grooved ] with straight cut 3 1/8" batt. hole with 4 1/8"by 9 1/4" cover.Board edges have webbing tacked on. There are two 15 3/4"by 1 1/8" metal struts, curved ended where the top board fits in.The cutouts for RHD pedals look like they were done in a hurry.The top board is still in great condition but the big floorboard has split in places. Screws holding the boards in are Robertson with cups.