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Old 11-10-2021, 05:39 PM   #1
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Working on a 7 tooth steering assembly heavy paint black / orange / yellow after a couple of hours paint is falling off . parts on the way so clean and get ready for paint . The bearings failed because of heavy waxy grease in box no lube getting to bearings .
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Old 11-10-2021, 08:44 PM   #2
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Looks like a well used tank! electrolysis I thought was for rust removal, must of had rust under the paint.
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Looks like a well used tank! electrolysis I thought was for rust removal, must of had rust under the paint.
this will remove or loosen up paint, grease, dirt as well as rust.
a good way to clean up parts, just takes a bit of time to work.
i like using this method.
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Looks like a well used tank! electrolysis I thought was for rust removal, must of had rust under the paint.
I use it to clean wheels also takes all the old paint off and rust a big box of arm @ Hammer washing soda in the mix .
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Old 11-11-2021, 07:44 AM   #5
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This is great and I know this stuff has been posted and talked about before, but, for the benefit of those who are seeing it for the first time “in all it’s glory”, a little explanation of how this is hooked up, how it functions, and what supplies to use would be much easier than going through the SEARCH process.

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Electrolysis may remove some paints depending on the chemical composition of the paint but many paints have to be removed with a methylene chloride or acidic based strippers.

Corrosion can be removed by electrolysis or through acidic exposure of various mild forms of acid. Evapo-Rust uses chelation for oxide removal and is environmentally safe.

Electrolysis can have a negative effect on structural steels due to hydrogen embrittlement but it largely depends on what the use of the part is whether it may cause a problem.
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Old 11-11-2021, 10:07 AM   #7
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My experience with electrolytic rust removal.

Some paints come off, some come off some and there is this red primer I run across that nothing wants to take off. Just a long time with sandblasting.

I found that a couple of days in a tank and you can cut sandblasting time on wheels in half or better. You mileage may vary depending paint, rust and such. I also do not have a tank large enough for a full wheel so I did half at a time so like 3 days or so per wheel.

I also found that you can get the rust that sticks the bolt in the bumper ends. Just put the end in the tank and let her go for a few days. Impossible suddenly frees up in no time.

FWIW, line of sight is less critical with ERR and if you get some carbon electrodes the parts come out cleaner.
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Old 11-11-2021, 10:27 AM   #8
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Vince has some good information on his site.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/elec...cderusting.htm
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I have 1 inch rebar hanging on the sides for anodes . I've cleaned Doors / wheels / splash shields / Hood sections / windshield frames / anything I can hang in the tank like Kevin said it speeds up sand blasting if needed . The arm and hammer washing soda also helps with oils and grease . You could do a whole frame in a swimming pool or a big hole lined with plastic lol . Also a good scrub brush and dish soap to remove slime rinse and back into the tank .
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Just don't use stainless-steel electrodes.

https://antique-engines.com/stainles...electrodes.htm
I have seen other reports that say the same thing.
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Over night most of the paint and rust gone the ford black paint turns to slime and washes away . I'll let it go for a few more hours then metal prep to keep from flash rusting . Then rinse and scrub let dry and paint .
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Did you connect the steering column to the positive or the negative lead? I assume you used a battery charger for this.
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Did you connect the steering column to the positive or the negative lead? I assume you used a battery charger for this.
Negative to the part positive to anodes / scrape steel I had the column hanging with string / suspended . Yes a battery charger for power supply .
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Looks like a well used tank! electrolysis I thought was for rust removal, must of had rust under the paint.
No rust under paint only where it was bare steel . When the black ford paint came off it was like new under the paint .
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Did you connect the steering column to the positive or the negative lead? I assume you used a battery charger for this.
this comes back to the old topic on which way the electrons travel.
negative towards the positive.


maybe H F was using his electrolysis tank when he built the model A?
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First coat of paint on steering column Por 15. And Deck Lid into the tank .
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