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31Abone · 10-03-2016, 08:12 PM

Have a couple of B blocks one has no serial number stamped the other # DR79567 .from an estate of an airplane kit maker,the motor was to be used in airplane..babbitt looks new also 2 cranks and cams maybe NOS also..wanting to know value as a fellow wants to trade some A parts..see pics..looks like they were coated with oil or geeese..the one looks NOS to me with no rig at all and bearings look like never been run.....sc

Bruce Lancaster · 10-03-2016, 08:33 PM

Do a bunch of dimensional investigation! B's used in USA production had no serial on block. The DR # is not a Ford serial...may well be the ID of a rebuilder. Measure everything and see what diameters are standard. You may have just very clean parts ready for assembly but not new.

DougVieyra · 10-03-2016, 09:37 PM

Be careful - some sellers interpet NOS to mean : No Obligation Sucker, while others interpret NOS as Not Old Stock. It is getting increasingly more difficult to actually find NOS meaning New Old Stock.

Charlie Stephens · 10-03-2016, 09:49 PM

It is not entirely impossible that living in Southern California you have a NOS Model B block. I have one and have heard of two others. Ford Parts Obsolete uncovered a warehouse in Poland with several hundred of them (they were all in pieces) in the sixties and shipped them over. They were intended as engines for Russian military vehicles.

Charlie Stephens

Dodge · 10-03-2016, 10:45 PM

The DR number was an early California DMV/CHP version of the now CA Tag, when no other number was found on the vehicle or had no paper work.
The pistons look like early Jahns pistons and look used.
I would measure the block, crank and cams to see if they are used or not.
If it is all NOS its worth a whole lot, if used it's just worth a lot.

Kevin in NJ · 10-04-2016, 07:02 AM

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To get the big money you need to clean them up and measure.

If I were buying I would want to see that all the journals are 100% rust free and new. I would want to know the bore sizes and so on to be sure of two things.

First off is it really new.

Second, make sure it was not a factory oops. Sometimes a part with issues got into the parts stream. Also some of the later production from the 40's were not built to the best standards like production era parts.

So if you want the big bucks, which new will command a premium, you need to clean and measure.

Kurt in NJ · 10-04-2016, 07:37 AM

Nos crankshafts don't have dowell pins in the flywheel flange, cam gears or keys---I have a NOS A crank, have seen NOS B cranks,

d.j. moordigian · 10-04-2016, 10:08 AM

The 3rd. photo is 8 pistons,..they are Jahn's pistons,..cast versions. They look used by
the "caramel" on the inside, the pins also look used...

Jim Brierley · 10-04-2016, 10:25 AM

It is also a diamond block, usually a good thing. I've seen NOS blocks with asking prices of over $1,000. They were still in cosmoline. Russian blocks are easily identifiable by their rough castings and large insignia (?) on the left side.

ursus · 10-04-2016, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

The DR number was an early California DMV/CHP version of the now CA Tag, when no other number was found on the vehicle or had no paper work.

Some interesting information - I have one of the DR-xxxx Model B blocks that came out of California and always wondered about the origin of the number.

Chris Haynes · 10-05-2016, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

The DR number was an early California DMV/CHP version of the now CA Tag, when no other number was found on the vehicle or had no paper work.

Ca use DRF, not DR.

40Pickup · 10-05-2016, 01:40 AM

Found this B engine, marine converted. * SR * xxxx

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198443

Jorgen

Dodge · 10-05-2016, 01:48 AM

I have a Model A Block and pink slip that has a DR number and a 1938 Harley with a
DR number on the cases and pink slip. So California did use DR numbers. These are also
not the first I have seen.

Chris Haynes · 10-05-2016, 02:15 PM

DRF = Department Registry File. CA has used DRF since the '50's that I know of. Possibly earlier it was only DR.

Dodge · 10-05-2016, 11:38 PM

That makes sense the 1938 Harley with the DR number on it had been last registered in 1946. So maybe it was DR then DRF or someone didn't put the F at the end.

10-03-2016, 08:33 PM	#2
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS Do a bunch of dimensional investigation! B's used in USA production had no serial on block. The DR # is not a Ford serial...may well be the ID of a rebuilder. Measure everything and see what diameters are standard. You may have just very clean parts ready for assembly but not new.

10-03-2016, 09:37 PM	#3
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS Be careful - some sellers interpet NOS to mean : No Obligation Sucker, while others interpret NOS as Not Old Stock. It is getting increasingly more difficult to actually find NOS meaning New Old Stock.

10-03-2016, 09:49 PM	#4
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,033	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS It is not entirely impossible that living in Southern California you have a NOS Model B block. I have one and have heard of two others. Ford Parts Obsolete uncovered a warehouse in Poland with several hundred of them (they were all in pieces) in the sixties and shipped them over. They were intended as engines for Russian military vehicles. Charlie Stephens

10-03-2016, 10:45 PM	#5
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS The DR number was an early California DMV/CHP version of the now CA Tag, when no other number was found on the vehicle or had no paper work. The pistons look like early Jahns pistons and look used. I would measure the block, crank and cams to see if they are used or not. If it is all NOS its worth a whole lot, if used it's just worth a lot.

10-04-2016, 07:02 AM	#6
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) To get the big money you need to clean them up and measure. If I were buying I would want to see that all the journals are 100% rust free and new. I would want to know the bore sizes and so on to be sure of two things. First off is it really new. Second, make sure it was not a factory oops. Sometimes a part with issues got into the parts stream. Also some of the later production from the 40's were not built to the best standards like production era parts. So if you want the big bucks, which new will command a premium, you need to clean and measure.

10-04-2016, 07:37 AM	#7
Kurt in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: on the Littlefield Posts: 6,159	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS Nos crankshafts don't have dowell pins in the flywheel flange, cam gears or keys---I have a NOS A crank, have seen NOS B cranks,

10-04-2016, 10:08 AM	#8
d.j. moordigian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fresno, Ca. Posts: 3,636	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS The 3rd. photo is 8 pistons,..they are Jahn's pistons,..cast versions. They look used by the "caramel" on the inside, the pins also look used...

10-04-2016, 10:25 AM	#9
Jim Brierley Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 4,089	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS It is also a diamond block, usually a good thing. I've seen NOS blocks with asking prices of over $1,000. They were still in cosmoline. Russian blocks are easily identifiable by their rough castings and large insignia (?) on the left side.

10-05-2016, 01:40 AM	#12
40Pickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Homelook Sweden Posts: 178	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS Found this B engine, marine converted. * SR * xxxx http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198443 Jorgen

10-05-2016, 01:48 AM	#13
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS I have a Model A Block and pink slip that has a DR number and a 1938 Harley with a DR number on the cases and pink slip. So California did use DR numbers. These are also not the first I have seen.

10-05-2016, 02:15 PM	#14
Chris Haynes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camarillo, CA and Pine Grove, CA Posts: 2,832	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS DRF = Department Registry File. CA has used DRF since the '50's that I know of. Possibly earlier it was only DR. __________________ 1921 Runabout 1930 Tudor Early 1930 AA Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

10-05-2016, 11:38 PM	#15
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: Value Model B blaock NOS That makes sense the 1938 Harley with the DR number on it had been last registered in 1946. So maybe it was DR then DRF or someone didn't put the F at the end.