Hi Temp Paint fail

[Rancho Deluxe]

Hi Barners,
Here's two pictures of the engine we're having so much trouble getting set up. The timing was just very odd and did not respond anything like normal until we set it very much behind (retarded) where the timing gear notch indicated it should go. Then after a short local run here's what the manifold and top exhaust pipe to the muffler looks like. That's a top-grade fine-rated well-applied coat of manifold paint.... We now consider the timing gear to be misaligned and we plan to check it. But we open the matter to any comments from you guys out there. Thanks, Rancho

[Y-Blockhead]

Man, That thing got TOAST-TAY!!! Hope you didn't hurt your engine...

[Mike V. Florida]

To visually see what Benson has posted.

http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/timingcovers.htm

[Tom Wesenberg]

Looking at the first picture, it's hard to tell, but looks like it has the simple round protrusion for the timing pin, rather than the long pad on a Model B timing cover. What head are you using, and what is the compression reading?

BTW, I'm sure it's just the camera angle, but looking at the belt on the crankshaft pulley makes it look like the water pump pulley is far forward from where it should be.

[mshmodela]

Although not sliver, I painted my 10 point car's with black paint I got from lowe or home depot.It was for gas grills... it has held up fairly well.

[mrtexas]

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Make sure the #1 piston is at TDC when you are timing. Most likely NOT.

[Bob-A]

I have an "A dizzy on my "B" block with "B" timing cover. I find TDC on number 1 piston visually with a flashlight. Of couse the no. 1 spark plug is removed first. I'm also using a static timing light instead of a cigarette paper like I use on my old Harley Panhead. The timing light is a little more accurate on the "A" then the paper on the "H-D".....

Bob-A

[Bob C]

Originally Posted by Benson

I did not say anything about the round and oblong deal because I have seen covers (both with oblong bosses) where the hole is drilled for a Model A and some with holes for Model B.

Both covers had the oblong boss.

So all oblong boss covers are not Model B covers

In fact Vince's webpage shows both A and B covers with oblong bosses.

What matters is the location of the hole in relation to the two mounting bolts not whether or not it has an oblong bos
I was just trying to eliminate confusion.

I think what Tom is saying is that it looks like a round protrusion, not
oval, which means it's an A cover.

Bob

[Rancho Deluxe]

Thanks for the comments Gents. It’s had us scratching our heads too. The cover is a 28 timing gear cover on a 28 engine in an early 28 car. The main distinguishing feature is the absence of a flexible strut front engine mount. With the index pin in it’s indent on the timing gear, the #1 piston appears to be at TDC, but we were compelled to time the engine substantially after this point to get the engine to run and respond anything like normal. The apparent overheating (also evident in boiling radiator) is the result. We currently have no idea what the ultimate cause of all this is other than a mis-positioned timing gear and we plan to check that next. Thanks, Rancho

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Rancho Deluxe

Thanks for the comments Gents. It’s had us scratching our heads too. The cover is a 28 timing gear cover on a 28 engine in an early 28 car. The main distinguishing feature is the absence of a flexible strut front engine mount. With the index pin in it’s indent on the timing gear, the #1 piston appears to be at TDC, but we were compelled to time the engine substantially after this point to get the engine to run and respond anything like normal. The apparent overheating (also evident in boiling radiator) is the result. We currently have no idea what the ultimate cause of all this is other than a mis-positioned timing gear and we plan to check that next. Thanks, Rancho

You need to time it the correct way, which is TDC on number one piston. Your engine might have carb problems, or some odd ignition problem, like a crossfire between 3 and 4, but you don't want late timing.

As you have indicated, the late timing will cause the exhaust manifold and the coolant to overheat.

[George Miller]

Late timing is a good way to score number 3 or 4 piston or even lock it up in the cylinder. You need to set the timing in the right place.

[mrtexas]

A good check on the "correct way" to see if you did it right is to turn the engine over with the crank and #1 spark plug out and make sure the spark plug fires with the #1 piston at top dead center with the spark fully retarded. I like belts and suspender checks myself. I've never got a good running engine with the "correct way timing" unless I checked it out another way as well and adjusted timing as necessary.

[ped58]

mshmodela... I used gas grill paint on my 9 point '29 model "A" manifold too.

[1931 flamingo]

Pull the timing cover and ck gear alignment before you do anything else. JMO
If that manifold hadn't been painted I'll bet it was cherry red. NO diff paint would hold up to that. Again, JMO
Paul in CT