Repop Parts

[1934calkid]

I am sure this has been discussed but lets take a poll, recently in the last few years there have been a lot of remanufactured parts, lets use the "New Ron Hogan twin plug Heads as a example" do you people think that these parts should be remade and sold as Ron Hogan Heads ? even if they are NOT made by him ? if I was spending all that money to put a product out there and It was of such high quality wouldn't you want your very own name on the parts ? or if the part had no name to begin with, I.E a un-named Angle drive of high quality would be fine ? vote as you see fit with comments if possible.....

[itslow]

Who now owns the trademark?
How exact are the reproductions to the originals?

[1934calkid]

It's not rocket science.....it a poll on repop parts...

[19Fordy]

Reproduction parts are fine as long as they are of high quality, made to OEM specs and actually fit as the originals did. In fact, they may even be better than the originals, such as the reproduction ARDUN conversion kits. If parts are reproduction, they should never be sold, advertised or presented as original OEM parts, even if they have the original FoMoCo logo. Just think of all the reproduction sheet metal now available, thank goodness. (By the way, punctuation checker is your friend.) http://spellcheckplus.com/

[SofaKing]

What you are describing sounds like false advertising with the intent of committing fraud by representing a product as something other than what it is. It is grounds for a lawsuit here in Utah, all other states I expect.

[1934calkid]

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Not even close, the parts are represented as there name on the parts, but we're not made by the original person, what are they ?......

[petehoovie]

We need parts. Never discourage the manufacture of quality 'Repop Parts'. I don't care who's name is on them as long as they fit and are durable. Like 19Fordy said above....

[Barry-ct]

I agree with 19Fordy. Unfortunately, we are getting some low grade stuff.

[peewee2you]

Imagine if no parts were reproduced, the cost we'd have to put out to get even a good useable part would be thru the roof. I'm happy to work with a part of good quality even if they are made in a mass' which reduces the cost of the item, so that it is affordable to get these cars back on the road or maintain them as they are. just my opinion

[Ronnieroadster]

Originally Posted by 1934calkid

Not even close, the parts are represented as there name on the parts, but we're not made by the original person, what are they ?......

So your saying once the original individual is no longer producing their products such as Hogan his name should no longer be used? Hogans patterns were sold and the rights to using said patterns and name are part of the deal. Are you saying their quality is not the same as original? How about Navaro should his name be stricken from his pattern also? Or Austin the list can go on for a long time. Continuing production using the original name has been going on for a very long time.
Are you so sure that Hogan did not reuse another individuals pattern made by another hot rodder from NZ or maybe Australia.


The answer to your question above the word is reproduction.

[Tim Ayers]

[QUOTE=Ronnieroadster;1267186]So your saying once the original individual is no longer producing their products such as Hogan his name should no longer be used? Hogans patterns were sold and the rights to using said patterns and name are part of the deal. Are you saying their quality is not the same as original? How about Navaro should his name be stricken from his pattern also? Or Austin the list can go on for a long time. Continuing production using the original name has been going on for a very long time.
Are you so sure that Hogan did not reuse another individuals pattern made by another hot rodder from NZ or maybe Australia.


Agree 100%. Seems odd. People already bitch about the price of parts and cars. Imagine if ONLY NOS parts were available to the hobby. The only guy able to afford it would be D. Trump.

[39topless]

Originally Posted by 1934calkid

Not even close, the parts are represented as there name on the parts, but we're not made by the original person, what are they ?......

http://spellcheckplus.com/ (thank you 19fordy)

[Kube]

Originally Posted by 39topless

http://spellcheckplus.com/

Funny as heck. The incantation not lost upon me

[jimTN]

I also agree with 19 Fordy. What ever is made should be at least nearly as good (durable) as the original and must FIT!

[itslow]

Originally Posted by 1934calkid

It's not rocket science.....it a poll on repop parts...

Your example is someone reproducing parts and then sticking a name on it that they may or may not have trademark or design rights to use. If they have the rights, it'd be a legitimate part whether from the original production run(s) or not.

If someone is going through the trouble to make an exact duplicate, then why would they want to put their own markings on it instead of matching the originals? That'd defeat the purpose of all the work to duplicate all of the other features. Of course, this now gets into intellectual property rights issues, assuming they are still applicable and have not expired.

The whole topic is not as simple as voting on a list of arbitrary options. Is the subject matter something like the Ardun heads, a complete '32 body, random small parts, etc, etc?

Personally, when it comes to reproducing parts such as heads, intakes, etc, I'm fine with the practice but like the idea of some sort of date code or other distinguishing mark that indicated it's from a modern production run and not an "original" from "back in the day".

[Steves46]

Originally Posted by peewee2you

imagine if no parts were reproduced, the cost we'd have to put out to get even a good useable part would be thru the roof. I'm happy to work with a part of good quality even if they are made in a mass' which reduces the cost of the item, so that it is affordable to get these cars back on the road or maintain them as they are. Just my opinion

x2!

[swoopNZ]

I believe Hogan's parts are now being made by his son here in New Zealand.

[Knezevic]

Let me see, you are suggesting a revolutionary shift in the way the flathead speed equipment market is currently operating?? Hmmmm, let's ponder this thought.....
As already mentioned aftermarket products such as Navaro are marketed outside of original manufacturer and why not if legal to do so? I personally want and enjoy provenance with the products I purchase. Having the name Navaro on a pair of heads, even though repop, is absolutely a key feature. Product quality and representative name mean everything. Can I pease ask why are you singling out the Hogan twin plug heads to establish your argument???? Seems odd as the aftermarket flathead speed equipment industry has been around for years to the benefit and enjoyment of all flathead devotees. Seems that you have allot of time on your hands mate.

[Automotive Stud]

As it is there are parts repoped with original logos, some by the the original manufacturer and some not. Then there are guys like Charlie Price who make stuff with his brand on there now. I think that's fine too. I'm grateful that there are aftermarket parts still available for us to keep these cars on the road, and there are different options available for whatever you feel comfortable putting on your ride.

[edhd58]

I fully support repop parts. I have reproduction ignition coil on my car because I wanted 12v coil and oem was 6v. It looks like oem but is not, nor will I say its original.

[tjw]

I have read the above " Poll " posting about reproduction parts, in this posting 1934calkid uses the Hogan Heads as an example of reproduction parts. Before using some ones product as an example how about researching that maker's products and get the facts correct about a product this person clearly know's very little about. I quote what has been written " New Ron Hogan Heads being remade and sold as Ron Hogan heads " They are not sold as Ron Hogan Heads in fact they have always been sold as Hogan Heads and they are NOT REPRODUCTIONS. It is very clear to me that they know very little about this Hogan product and it's history. In fact i will go as far as saying that these comments that have been made are very misleading.

READ THE FACTS ABOUT THIS PRODUCT.
The Hogan Flathead V8 Twin plug heads were made in New Zealand by the late Ron Hogan. The patterns for these heads were made from scratch, designed and made by Ron Hogan himself. He did not use another individuals pattern and rename it as some one has suggested may have happened. When Ron Hogan passed away the patterns were inherited by his son Garth Hogan and are still owned by Garth today. The patterns that are being used to produce these heads today are NOT new patterns. THE SAME ORIGINAL PATTERNS ARE BEING USED that Ron used and the heads are still made only in New Zealand. MADE WITH THE ORIGINAL PATTERNS , OWNED BY THE SAME HOGAN FAMILY so they are clearly not reproductions.

OFFICIAL RESELLERS OF THIS PRODUCT.
Mac's Speed Shop
Auckland. New Zealand
Graeme McNeill
Email [email protected]

Early Speed Parts
Melbourne. Australia
Terry Wills
Email [email protected]

Jerry Hopkins
Corsicana. Texas
Email [email protected]

PATE SWAP MEET
Jerry Hopkins will have the Hogan Flathead V8 Hogan Twin Plug heads, Mac's Speed Flathead V8 T5 bell housing adaptors and a number of Flathead Speed parts being made by myself on display at the PATE Swap meet coming up in late April. I will be putting a listing up about these parts latter.

Thank You
Terry Wills
Early Speed Parts.
Email [email protected]
Melbourne Australia

[stangblue]

Cheap isn't good and good isn't Cheap! Buy OEM when ever possible and of course it will cost more. At least back yesterday USA manufactures had pride and morals in manufacturing more so than off shore back yard manufactures of today. If possible refurbish your old parts it may cost more in time and material than a reproduction part but at least you know what you have. You decide left or right picture

[tjw]

Thanks for reading my previous posting. I would like to thank all of you who have sent an email to [email protected] thanking me for posting the information on the Hogan Twin Plug Heads. It is great to receive so many favourable comments about the Hogan Heads. A few of you have asked about the Mac's Flathead V8 and Model A T5 bell housing adapters. We hope to have these on sale in the USA later this year. I will be putting up a posting on The Ford Barn soon. In the meantime here are a couple of photo's. The photo of the Model A bellhousing is a RHD one but we also do them in LHD for the USA market. If you need any information on these please email us. Thanks Terry

[tjw]

I have also been asked about the Flathead V8 Twin distributor Timing cover i am about to make. In a couple of weeks i will be starting to make the pattern to have it cast and machined. It will be similar in design to the one on the engine in the photo. This new product will be for sale in about 8 weeks. If you are interested in one send me a message. Thanks Terry

[Knezevic]

Terry without true hot rod entrepreneurs like you hard core hot rodders who live and breathe flatheads would be going at it like gladiators in an arena scrounging for the fast disappearing old stock that me be up for grabs to the death! I can only sincerely thank you for your effort in keeping such a high quality product alive, I will definitely order a set of these heads for my latest roadster project. You have inspired me mate.

People like 1934calkid unfortunately will always be around to try and kick true hottrodders like you in the nuts for what ever reason he may have??? but you need to keep persevering and I have no doubt your products will shine try in the end regardless of what the troublesome 3% try to do.

[tallboyus]

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In reply to the 1934 calkid senior member that resides in florida. Interesting subject you have chosen on reproduction parts. We hotrod ers have known about reproduction parts for a long time, give us that much credit. Most interesting that you use the Hogan Heads as your prime example. Sir, as you should know by now the Hogan twin plug heads are made to the highest degree of quality and material. Made by Garth Hogan in NZ. I will correct you, these are not reproduction heads as you have described. Now senior member make sure you do your research next time you have something to say. Best regards......Jerry Hopkins

[tjw]

Hi Tom Knezevic Thanks for your order today for HOGAN Flathead Twin Plug Heads, Nash Twin 8 distributor and angle drive. I have pulled a nice Nash Twin 8 distributor and cap from my stock for you. The new angle drive's will be a couple of weeks as i am waiting on the next one's to come from my machinist. Cheers Terry

[tjw]

Giving you Flathead V8 boys the heads up, this is the new Mac's Flathead V8 Fuel injection system that we will be bringing to you later this year.

[Bored&Stroked]

While I may not agree with some of the comments of the original poster . . . seems that his thread has been hijacked to become an advertisement for Hogan and Mac's. Should probably start another thread and get into all the details and promote as such. I for one, do want to hear all about the new products.

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[tjw]

Thanks Bored & Stroked Good comment i will work on a thread for the Mac's, Hogan,and Early Speed products as soon as i can. Thanks for your comments. Terry

[JSeery]

I second B & S, would be very interesting to see a thread on all of these products!

[tjw]

JSeery Thanks for your comment. I will do something about it.