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Old 06-29-2018, 07:52 PM   #1
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Question Front spring replacement advice

My Model A is in great shape overall, but it rides very rough. By that I mean every bump in the road makes a bang sound and I can almost feel it in the steering wheel. Granted, this is my first Model A so I don't have a point of reference for what it "should" feel like. I realize it won't ride like a new Lexus, but I'm guessing it needs some work.

The red Les Andrews books says the center of the front bumper to the ground should be 18.5". Mine is only 16.5". The book also says that there should be minimum 1/4" clearance between the bottom of the front spring eye and the top of the axle. Mine appears to be sitting on the front axle.
So, am I correct that the front spring has lost its arch and is shot?
Any thoughts by looking at the picture I'm attempting to attach?

Anyone have any general tips/advice on replacing the front spring beyond what is in the red Les Andrews book? I know they can be taken apart and re-worked, but I don't want to mess with that and I'm thinking of just getting a new one (looking at the higher end one at Synders for a bit over $200).

Also, what is the general consensus on these types of aftermarket shock setups that are on my car? Good/bad? They were on the car when I bought it 2 years ago...

Thanks in advance for the advice!
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:38 PM   #2
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I followed the procedure laid out in the Les Andrews book and it worked out fine for me. Was pretty easy really.

I bought my front spring from Bert's.

Here is another source that I've read about and considered.

http://www.a-springs.com/products.html

I would say your spring is in worse shape than mine was, and mine was pretty bad...
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:50 PM   #3
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Shocks make a big difference,original style in good shape, but your spring needs help! Easy install! Never used that shock. buy rebuilt set! Shackles sitting on axle!
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Old 06-29-2018, 08:58 PM   #4
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The shackles and bushes are stuffed.


stuffed Meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

"No more for me thanks - I'm stuffed."
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Old 06-29-2018, 11:04 PM   #5
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Yes, I would agree they are "stuffed". Spring, bushings and possibly spring perches.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:16 AM   #6
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You could be very surprised at how well a truly rebuilt Model A will drive and ride.

Correct good springs and shocks are very important.

I have never tried to rebuild what could be a ninety year old spring. I would replace with a correct one (USA made).

I also like using a quality original style shock.

If you decide to replace spring, take the time to check over the rest of your front end. All those different parts end up working together. Enjoy.
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Old 06-30-2018, 06:39 AM   #7
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Looks like the spring to toast! Is the drag link rubbing on the tie rod? Might want to look into replacing the sleeves for the spring perch where the shackle bolt goes through. There is nothing wrong with the style of shocks you have.
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Old 06-30-2018, 10:11 AM   #8
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No sure if I see a cotter pin on the spring perch nut. Those nuts must be very tight.and cotter pinned. I ran tube shocks and finally got rid of the damn things. Looks like yours could be bottoming out because of the collapsed spring.
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I had the same problem with both my coupes! Eye of the spring sitting on the front axle. What tipped me off that there was something wrong was when she went into "Death Wobble"! Almost anything chassis related, Can cause "Death Wobble" I would get it at low speeds, in a gravel parking lot. when I would hit even a small bump. The steering wheel has a mind of it's own and it can't decide which way it wants to go. I replaced the shackle bushings and the shackles and Voila! No more "Death Wobble"!
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My Model A is in great shape overall, but it rides very rough. By that I mean every bump in the road makes a bang sound and I can almost feel it in the steering wheel. Granted, this is my first Model A so I don't have a point of reference for what it "should" feel like. I realize it won't ride like a new Lexus, but I'm guessing it needs some work.

The red Les Andrews books says the center of the front bumper to the ground should be 18.5". Mine is only 16.5". The book also says that there should be minimum 1/4" clearance between the bottom of the front spring eye and the top of the axle. Mine appears to be sitting on the front axle.
So, am I correct that the front spring has lost its arch and is shot?
Any thoughts by looking at the picture I'm attempting to attach?

Anyone have any general tips/advice on replacing the front spring beyond what is in the red Les Andrews book? I know they can be taken apart and re-worked, but I don't want to mess with that and I'm thinking of just getting a new one (looking at the higher end one at Synders for a bit over $200).

Also, what is the general consensus on these types of aftermarket shock setups that are on my car? Good/bad? They were on the car when I bought it 2 years ago...

Thanks in advance for the advice!
Spring looks bad! What I do note is there is a U bolt, appearing to hold in place a bottom mount for a tube shock. It sounds as though it is doing no good or the spring is so bad, the tube shock just can't do much to help. Follow the advice given by others on spring replacement, however if I were you and you can afford it, put in original type shocks. There are some cheaper alternatives that are worthy of consideration, involving MGB or MGA shocks. they have the same bolt centers for mounting are available used in good shape and need to be tinkered with a bit. Look up posts on MGA and MGB shocks. Lots of good reading to help make some $$$ choices.
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Old 06-30-2018, 12:52 PM   #11
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Thanks for all of the replies. This forum is the best! I'll start ordering some stuff and will try to remember to post back when done (could be a month or so before I get parts and get around to doing it)…
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John, As you are collecting parts, think about getting a front spring spreader. Unless you know someone who has one. Not too expensive and makes the job much easier and safer,
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:18 AM   #13
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Looking at the top of the shackle it looks like your perch is probably worn beyond rebushing.

With good bushings and bolts in the perch and spring, the shackle will not allow the spring to touch the axel even with the shackle in a vertical position so the spring, even though bad, has nothing to do with touching the axel.

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Old 07-01-2018, 07:01 AM   #14
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I agree with aermotor. yes, your spring looks bad. Also your spring perch and shackles look worn. The shocks are doing nothing because the axle isn't moving.
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Old 07-01-2018, 02:19 PM   #16
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For a little extra cushion I use a leather pad between the spring and crossmember. I punch a hole for the bolt head.
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:51 AM   #17
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I'll see what the perches look like after I get things apart. If I have to replace the perches, this will be a lot bigger project than I bargained for!
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]I'll see what the perches look like after I get things apart. If I have to replace the perches, this will be a lot bigger project than I bargained for![/QUOTE

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I'll see what the perches look like after I get things apart. If I have to replace the perches, this will be a lot bigger project than I bargained for!
I know it’s easy to spend someone else’s time and money, but!

If you have to replace the perches. I would drop the front end from car and completely tear it down. I would question the condition of other parts given what can be seen in picture.
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WHN is giving good advice
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