New guy with a C59A and some questions

[Ziggster]

I just picked up a C59A industrial engine that was originally located in western Canada. I'm new to the flathead, and just read through the Ford Flathead V-8 Engines by Mike Bishop and Vern Tardel. Still tons to learn. The engine was disassembled when I got it, and I'm just curious as to the configuration, as there is a three groove pulley on the crank, and yet the alt and pump have a single groove. I'm guessing the closest grooves to the crank are for them, but what could the third groove be used for? Also, the oil pan has a separate bolt in cover for the drain. I see this isn't standard, so again, what was this used for? There is a blocked off threaded port on the oil pan, as well as as open tube. The engine was rebuilt sometime in the 80's according to the previous owner, and has a nice plate with the new specs. It was bored 0.040 over, but there now seems to be a ridge at the top of bore of about 0.005. I think the cam, pistons, rods are junk, but the crank might be salvaged, but it was was already ground down by 0.010. I'm taking to the shop on Friday to have the block cleaned and checked for cracks. There is only one small crack that I can see between one of the head bolt holes and the water jacket. The plate also says model C69.T.A.

[Mike in AZ]

Welcome to the ‘Barn. Lots of knowledgeable people here and someone will have your answers. Or st least good guesses. Good luck. Mike

[Ziggster]

Another pic. Can't upload multiple pics.

[Ziggster]

Another. Unfortunately there is a hole caused by a forklifk just below where the dipstick is attached. Lol. Will see if it can be repaired.

[Ziggster]

Pulley on crank.

[Ziggster]

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Last one.

[Brian]

The two innermost pulley sheaves are for driving the generator [not alt!!] and pumps [two- one each bank], The outermost sheave drives the fan, which is hung on a separate spindle bracketed off of the generator mount. The plugged port in side of oilpan is for the return line from the accessory bypass oil filter. The Big clean out plate on bottom of pan is quite common with C59A's in heavy duty applications. It is not a C69A: C69A is similar, but different casting altogether! Although parts will interchange from one to the other.

[chap52]

Welcome, great project to tinker with.
Lot's of info on this site.
Enjoy the adventure, Chap

[rotorwrench]

An industrial application may have had a mechanical governor added. It would require another belt. May be other possibilities depending on the actual application of this power plant unit.

I think the difference between the C59A and the C69A was the change over to insert rod bearings.

[JSeery]

Would be a very good idea to have the engine shop pressure check the block. If they do not have that capability, I would find someone that does. Very easy to sink a lot of money into a block only to find internal cracks/leaks. Mag checking will not locate all issues with these blocks.

[Brian]

'I think the difference between the C59A and the C69A was the change over to insert rod bearings.'

Partly...also, the valve assemblies are akin to the 8BA style, hardened valve seats exhaust only, and as I said earlier, totally different block casting.

[Ziggster]

Thanks for all the great feedback. Still curious about where the oil return line would be plumbed into assuming one of the two oil filter housings he gave me was actually installed on the engine. Internet searches surprisingly don't show much, or at least from what I can find. One shop has another flathead they're working on, so that might be the one to bring it to tomorrow, but the machinist was already warning me of the potentially issues.

[Brian]

http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/F...8-leftside.jpg

[Mart]

You can see the oil return port in the side of the pan half way between the front and the dipstick tube. it looks blanked off, but has a small window to push the oil down the side of the pan. It might need cleaning and blowing out/unblocking.

[Ziggster]

Thanks again. Much appreciated. Sprayed a bit of rust penetrant into the boss on the outside of the pan and it started slowly driipping into the interior. For posteritiy, here's a pic of rebuilders plate.

[Bored&Stroked]

Noticed that the back of the oil pan is completely different than a "normal" 59x or the later 49-53 oil pan. As I've never built one of these Canadian engines, there much be a "lower flywheel" cover that is not in the picture. Hopefully you have this piece.

Now, this may be a 'special' pan that was only made in Canada, or maybe part of the industrial application . . . not sure. Anybody know the details on this aspect of what he is showing?

[V8COOPMAN]

Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked

Noticed that the back of the oil pan is completely different than a "normal" 59x or the later 49-53 oil pan. As I've never built one of these Canadian engines, there much be a "lower flywheel" cover that is not in the picture. Hopefully you have this piece.

Now, this may be a 'special' pan that was only made in Canada, or maybe part of the industrial application . . . not sure. Anybody know the details on this aspect of what he is showing?

Is this "truck pan" similar to what you're looking at? DD