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Old 02-02-2021, 04:51 AM   #1
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Hi Barners,

I have a question arising in the renovation I am currently undertaking: I am copying the bottom wood frame of my Fordor since the old one is in quite bad shape. Focusing on the part of the frame located where the door openings are I wonder about the shape of the frame. The old one looks like the upper face angles downwards and outwards, such that the cross-section of the frame is not square.
(Does this description make sense??)

Can anyone confirm if this is the case? And is anyone able to quantify the downwards trend??

The reason I ask is that the old frame has been repaired in these places - and I am uncertain if it was done properly since other repairs have been faulty.

Any input is much appreciated

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Old 02-02-2021, 06:55 AM   #2
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best to present photos.............
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Old 02-02-2021, 07:14 AM   #3
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You're probably right. Will take some over the weekend

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Old 02-02-2021, 07:25 AM   #4
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Sounds like a warranty issue. Just take it back to the Ford dealer.


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Old 02-02-2021, 08:57 AM   #5
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Old 02-02-2021, 12:27 PM   #6
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A couple of initial thoughts: I gather from your mention of replacing the wooden frame rails that there is a good chance that the body may be off of the car and the frame rails exposed. If so, it should be a fairly simple matter to run a tape measure diagonally from a corner from front to the opposite rear corner to verify that the frame is first not pushed "out of square" so to speak. From there, placing a metal flat edge (like a long metal level or even a piece of metal strip) will show if the frame rails are straight. I've seen frame dimensions in some of the various Model A reference books, (not sure which one(s) at this point, and possibly someone else may have a reference site, but ... ) and these could also give you an indication of whether the frame has been bent out from the center. I hope that this helps - good luck with your project regardless.
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Not sure if you can tell from this picture but the door sill area (if that is what you are asking about) appears flat.



As ronn suggested, Pictures would be nice??
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:57 AM   #8
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Y-B, yes its the door sill area (sorry about the missing term ). It's hard to tell from the picture.

Was hoping someone here would know by memory

Anyway, thanks for the replies so far, I'll get pictures taken over the weekend since I don't have the car at home.

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Old 02-05-2021, 09:16 AM   #9
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Be sure you get the thickness of the subframe correct at the doors. There is a fancy trim piece that gets tacked to this wood that should be installed before the body goes on the frame. I have installed this trim after the body was installed. You cannot drive the tacks underneath the trim and it has to be forced into the crack between the wood and the anti-rattle strip that is placed on the frame. The top of the trim strip is supposed to be tacked but I used #4 1/2 in. SST screws. It looks much nicer. Ed
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Y-B, yes its the door sill area (sorry about the missing term ). It's hard to tell from the picture.

Was hoping someone here would know by memory

Anyway, thanks for the replies so far, I'll get pictures taken over the weekend since I don't have the car at home.

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Dan, I will try to get some pictures of the sill area a little later. But since my car is assembled it is hard to see. As you can see the "sill" sits flat. The rear sill sits flat also but then the wood is tapered toward the rear floor of the car.

You didn't mention if you have a Briggs or a Murrey body. I believe it makes a difference. Mine is a '30 Briggs Town Sedan so take that into account when looking at my picture(s).


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Actually I was incorrect in last post. The sill area is also flat in the rear door. The taper I was thinking of is the metal part.

The above info is for a Briggs Body, I don't know about a Murrey Body.


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Old 02-09-2021, 04:44 AM   #12
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Y-B, thanks for the excellent pictures! I would say mine was done differently judging from the pictures.
Mine is a 1931 Briggs Fordor

I put a straight piece of wood across the frame and took some pictures over the weekend, see attached.
The edge of the frame is tapered to about 10 mm below the full thickness of the frame itself - both on the front and rear door sill area.

The upper edges of the frame have been repaired at some point, but the inside of the frame appears original. So the thickness 'inside' should be fine - I'll go with that as a first attempt.

Ed in Maine - going by memory here, the trim piece you mentioned should match the thickness of the outside of the wood frame, right? That might change the game a bit if both the wood thickness and the trim piece was changed at some point... We'll see when assembly is first attempted

Thanks for your assistance all
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