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Dave in MD · 01-10-2017, 04:38 PM

Be advised that both MAFCA and MARC have said the only way one can purchase revision 4 to the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards is through the two club national offices. At least for the time being they are not allowing the parts vendors to sell this latest update, which is a change in their policy. I like to support local businesses.
Dave

30ccpickup · 01-10-2017, 04:42 PM

I too like to support local businesses, but in this case I would rather see the clubs make the cash! It is their baby.

wrndln · 01-10-2017, 05:48 PM

I think both MAFCA and MARC make money both selling the JS's as well as model A vendors, until now it appears. I believe that suppliers to model A vendors buy wholesale from their suppliers, in this case MAFCA and MARC for Rev 4, and mark them item up to make a profit. It appears this is not happening with Rev 4. It seems that the two model A clubs are trying to make all the money they can, at least for a while. Like the posts above, like to support model A vendors, which also supports the national clubs, but at a slightly lesser degree. I guess MAFCA and MARC can do that, but I think I will wait until vendors carry them to buy Rev 4.
Rusty Nelson

daveymc29 · 01-10-2017, 06:20 PM

Isn't this a bit short-sighted? Surely not all the venders customers belong to either Marc or MAFCA. Maybe they would gain some membership by selling through the venders, or is that not a concern? Maybe the money is more important than new members? I would think it would be the other way around, more members, more money for club and venders, but then what do I know? The only thing I have ever sold was me and even that didn't bring in much.

updraught · 01-10-2017, 06:49 PM

I would say they are trying to cover their printing costs ASAP.

I was considering ordering a complete one with parts in a flat rate box from a vendor.
Does anyone have the dimensions and weight so those of us in the sticks can have a guess at postage?

JohninKuranda · 01-10-2017, 06:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by updraught

I would say they are trying to cover their printing costs ASAP.

I was considering ordering a complete one with parts in a flat rate box from a vendor.
Does anyone have the dimensions and weight so those of us in the sticks can have a guess at postage?

Hope this helps
I purchased from MAFCA the US$55 package - plus US$17 freight to the Australia Post agency in Portland - Shopmate. The freight from there was AUD$52.65 to Kuranda. The weight of ther package was 2.6 kilograms.

Cheers
John

updraught · 01-10-2017, 08:19 PM

Thanks.

The last flat rate box I got from a vendor was twice as high as it should be. Not sure whether it is only weight that gets checked.

Steve Wastler · 01-10-2017, 08:32 PM

You do not have to be a member of either national's club to order from their web sites and the membership forms are right there as well. So they have more of a chance of new members buying directly thru them as opposed to a third party seller. For those who chose not to buy for any given reason are only doing the disservice to themselves as this accumulation of information can't be found anywhere else.

daveymc29 · 01-10-2017, 10:10 PM

Not trying to sustain an opinion, but if you are not a member of MARC or MAFCA how would you become aware that they have a web site?

Hoogah · 01-10-2017, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveymc29

Not trying to sustain an opinion, but if you are not a member of MARC or MAFCA how would you become aware that they have a web site?

Really? You can't read much on FordBarn before you stumble across mention of MAFCA/MARC. Then it's a no-brainer!

Jim/GA · 01-10-2017, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveymc29

Not trying to sustain an opinion, but if you are not a member of MARC or MAFCA how would you become aware that they have a web site?

I don't know. Google, maybe.

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WTSHNN · 01-11-2017, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveymc29

Isn't this a bit short-sighted? Surely not all the venders customers belong to either Marc or MAFCA. Maybe they would gain some membership by selling through the venders, or is that not a concern? Maybe the money is more important than new members?

A quick check of a few of the model a vendors' websites show they are still selling the 2011 standards.

Perhaps the vendors are the ones wanting to clear out their inventory...or perhaps in the past the national clubs supplied the vendors and people bought from the vendors and the clubs were forced to hold on to a large inventory which means they ended up losing money and since the club is a non-profit and funds some portion of the research and production of the standards it's in the better interest to support the club versus the vendor.

Or perhaps...I don't know.

-Tim

30ccpickup · 01-11-2017, 09:24 AM

Link to buy

http://model-a-ford.org/products-pag...s-and-indexes/

Jim/GA · 01-11-2017, 10:04 AM

Can also be bought here:

https://mafca.com/cart/index.php?show_price=yes

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Vic in E-TN · 01-11-2017, 10:16 AM

I ordered Rev 4 from MAFCA after looking on the MARC site without much luck on finding the material. I ordered on Thursday and it was delivered in a USPS Priority 2-day box on Tuesday with a $10.77 mailing sticker. MAFCA charged me $17 for shipping. I thought that this was way too high considering that this was probably not the first of these packages that they sent. $12 would have been a more appropriate charge for this package.

Vic

abachman3 · 01-11-2017, 10:16 AM

All owners of Model A's are not necessarily members of both clubs, let alone either club. MARC local clubs generally require membership in MARC, MAFCA local clubs generally do not have that same requirement. Also, not everyone that has a Model A Ford is a member of either club.

wrndln · 01-11-2017, 11:13 AM

I don't know why MARC and MAFCA can't mail the JS's Media Mail, which is very cheap for printed material. I suspect shipping Media Mail would be about $4 to $5 for most addresses. I guess they want to make some money on shipping as well as the JG's.
Rusty Nelson

mhsprecher · 01-11-2017, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrndln

I don't know why MARC and MAFCA can't mail the JS's Media Mail, which is very cheap for printed material. I suspect shipping Media Mail would be about $4 to $5 for most addresses. I guess they want to make some money on shipping as well as the JG's.
Rusty Nelson

Media Mail is slow. Maybe they could give buyers a choice, but many commenters here were anxious to get theirs and happy for the quick shipping. A choice of shipping options is probably a good idea. Many vendors give you a choice, but many don't.

Shipping is more than just the cost of postage, too. You have to package and label. I doubt either of the clubs have an automated process like many publishers do, so there is a lot of hand labor involved. The post office may pick up items, but if you are shipping hundreds, maybe they have to be delivered. After the initial rush, they may ship one or two a week.

If you think the clubs are making too much money, take a look at their financial statements and see what is really going on

C26Pinelake · 01-11-2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic in E-TN

I ordered Rev 4 from MAFCA after looking on the MARC site without much luck on finding the material. I ordered on Thursday and it was delivered in a USPS Priority 2-day box on Tuesday with a $10.77 mailing sticker. MAFCA charged me $17 for shipping. I thought that this was way too high considering that this was probably not the first of these packages that they sent. $12 would have been a more appropriate charge for this package.

Vic

Seems funny there is no backlash on their shipping charges but Macs are severely criticized. Hypocritical is it not ? Wayne

SteveB31 · 01-11-2017, 06:46 PM

We bought quite a few sets, and were surprised when we got the bill and they were charged at the $30 price. I sent them a note and they have not yet replied (MAFCA). We sell a LOT of their books, and they give us a wholesale price on them ( we buy 20 of each at a time), and we make a couple bucks on them, but for now I guess we pay retail ($30) for the revisions, and are selling them for $30 (no profit). We generally have been sending them with other parts, so the shipping is kind of free, since they are included with other parts orders. I personally feel that if we (a vendor) buy them in quanities , we should get a little price break. We use the sales of these books to help gain new members, as most Model A owners do not belong , and in many cases, don't want or need to belong to the national club. Often, when they see what they do, in the form of their publications, these folks WILL join a national club, as they see that those clubs are providing good information that is helpful in restoring the cars.

Steve @ Bert's

01-10-2017, 04:38 PM	#1
Dave in MD Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 175	Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Be advised that both MAFCA and MARC have said the only way one can purchase revision 4 to the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards is through the two club national offices. At least for the time being they are not allowing the parts vendors to sell this latest update, which is a change in their policy. I like to support local businesses. Dave

01-10-2017, 04:42 PM	#2
30ccpickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wakarusa, IN Posts: 928	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. I too like to support local businesses, but in this case I would rather see the clubs make the cash! It is their baby. __________________ http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles.

01-10-2017, 05:48 PM	#3
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. I think both MAFCA and MARC make money both selling the JS's as well as model A vendors, until now it appears. I believe that suppliers to model A vendors buy wholesale from their suppliers, in this case MAFCA and MARC for Rev 4, and mark them item up to make a profit. It appears this is not happening with Rev 4. It seems that the two model A clubs are trying to make all the money they can, at least for a while. Like the posts above, like to support model A vendors, which also supports the national clubs, but at a slightly lesser degree. I guess MAFCA and MARC can do that, but I think I will wait until vendors carry them to buy Rev 4. Rusty Nelson

01-10-2017, 06:20 PM	#4
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,554	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Isn't this a bit short-sighted? Surely not all the venders customers belong to either Marc or MAFCA. Maybe they would gain some membership by selling through the venders, or is that not a concern? Maybe the money is more important than new members? I would think it would be the other way around, more members, more money for club and venders, but then what do I know? The only thing I have ever sold was me and even that didn't bring in much.

01-10-2017, 06:49 PM	#5
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,970	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. I would say they are trying to cover their printing costs ASAP. I was considering ordering a complete one with parts in a flat rate box from a vendor. Does anyone have the dimensions and weight so those of us in the sticks can have a guess at postage?

01-10-2017, 08:19 PM	#7
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,970	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Thanks. The last flat rate box I got from a vendor was twice as high as it should be. Not sure whether it is only weight that gets checked.

01-10-2017, 08:32 PM	#8
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. You do not have to be a member of either national's club to order from their web sites and the membership forms are right there as well. So they have more of a chance of new members buying directly thru them as opposed to a third party seller. For those who chose not to buy for any given reason are only doing the disservice to themselves as this accumulation of information can't be found anywhere else.

01-10-2017, 10:10 PM	#9
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,554	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Not trying to sustain an opinion, but if you are not a member of MARC or MAFCA how would you become aware that they have a web site?

01-11-2017, 09:24 AM	#13
30ccpickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wakarusa, IN Posts: 928	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Link to buy http://model-a-ford.org/products-pag...s-and-indexes/ __________________ http://MODELABASICS.com/ How Things Work on a Model "A" Ford Fordbarners, Feel free to use the pictures on my site to answer questions and create tutorials/tech articles.

01-11-2017, 10:04 AM	#14
Jim/GA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Young Harris, GA Posts: 1,821	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. Can also be bought here: https://mafca.com/cart/index.php?show_price=yes . __________________ Jim Cannon Former MAFCA Technical Director "Have a Model A day!"

01-11-2017, 10:16 AM	#15
Vic in E-TN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 491	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. I ordered Rev 4 from MAFCA after looking on the MARC site without much luck on finding the material. I ordered on Thursday and it was delivered in a USPS Priority 2-day box on Tuesday with a $10.77 mailing sticker. MAFCA charged me $17 for shipping. I thought that this was way too high considering that this was probably not the first of these packages that they sent. $12 would have been a more appropriate charge for this package. Vic

01-11-2017, 10:16 AM	#16
abachman3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Western Springs, IL Posts: 324	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. All owners of Model A's are not necessarily members of both clubs, let alone either club. MARC local clubs generally require membership in MARC, MAFCA local clubs generally do not have that same requirement. Also, not everyone that has a Model A Ford is a member of either club.

01-11-2017, 11:13 AM	#17
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. I don't know why MARC and MAFCA can't mail the JS's Media Mail, which is very cheap for printed material. I suspect shipping Media Mail would be about $4 to $5 for most addresses. I guess they want to make some money on shipping as well as the JG's. Rusty Nelson

01-11-2017, 06:46 PM	#20
SteveB31 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Englewood, Colorado Posts: 1,372	Re: Sales of Revision 4 to R.G. & J.S. We bought quite a few sets, and were surprised when we got the bill and they were charged at the $30 price. I sent them a note and they have not yet replied (MAFCA). We sell a LOT of their books, and they give us a wholesale price on them ( we buy 20 of each at a time), and we make a couple bucks on them, but for now I guess we pay retail ($30) for the revisions, and are selling them for $30 (no profit). We generally have been sending them with other parts, so the shipping is kind of free, since they are included with other parts orders. I personally feel that if we (a vendor) buy them in quanities , we should get a little price break. We use the sales of these books to help gain new members, as most Model A owners do not belong , and in many cases, don't want or need to belong to the national club. Often, when they see what they do, in the form of their publications, these folks WILL join a national club, as they see that those clubs are providing good information that is helpful in restoring the cars. Steve @ Bert's