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Old 08-03-2011, 09:33 PM   #1
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Default 1932 pedal plate ID?????

OK...YES I read the book....

The Plate onthe left in the photo came of my original looking floorboard. It is 2 1/2" by 9 1/2" (I repainted it recently). When I thought I did not have the bottom plate I bought the plate on the right in the photo (Obviously modified).

Questions: The plate on the left, I do not find in the book....is this an "A" part? The plate on the right is in the drawing on the bottom left on page 15-17.

What is the plate on the left? Also, in reading the text and picture, they refer to a "weather pad" that goes between the plates. With the two 1"+ round pads on my "original", I don't see any way the weather pad would fit in between. Anyone have insight or better yet....pictures.... of this set up.
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Old 08-03-2011, 11:25 PM   #2
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The plate on the left is the early version used when the brake and clutch pedal were the same length from the pedal shaft to their 'elbows'. The plate on the right was used when they shortened the brake pedal in late May, 1932 (see page 15-16 text). Judging from your earlier photo of your top plate, the one on the left in this photo mates with your top plate. The two round rubber bumpers on the bottom plate face outward (downward) toward the pedals, hence they do not interfere with the sponge rubber 'weather' pad shown on page 15-17.

The pad shown on that page is the later pad and that is the one being reproduced currently. You will have to enlarge the opening for the brake pedal upward to accommodate your early 'taller' brake pedal.

You will end up with a 'sandwich' of the top plate, weather pad, and lower plate from top to bottom.
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...don't know if it is mentioned in "the book" ? but the Commercial plates are
different than the passenger plates due to the steeper angle of the steering column tube on Commercials. The cutout for the tube is longer on the Commercial I think???
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:58 AM   #4
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Richard, David G wrote the book and yes commercial steering tube slot is different.Did that 17 tooth speedo gear (LARS)work for you?
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Richard, David G wrote the book and yes commercial steering tube slot is different.Did that 17 tooth speedo gear (LARS)work for you?
I don't have the book so was not sure if it was mentioned there??? It had not been mentioned on this thread, so I thought it might be good to do so.

The speedo drive is sitting on my desk... but has worked fine so far!
I could have sold it a few times already... ... but won't!!!
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:54 AM   #6
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David, thanks. The top plate was not on the car when I got it, and there was no filler pad. I never know if a part is original or if my Uncle picked it up along the way.
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Old 08-04-2011, 10:23 PM   #7
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Richard,

Yes, it's in the book. The cutout in the commercial plates for the steering column tube is shallower than that for the passenger cars because of the more upright position of the steering column in those vehicles (except the sedan delivery, which has the same column angle as a passenger car)/
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:45 PM   #8
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Yes, it's in the book. The cutout in the commercial plates for the steering column tube is shallower than that for the passenger cars because of the more upright position of the steering column in those vehicles (except the sedan delivery, which has the same column angle as a passenger car)/
Thanks, that makes sense... We have made these plates from an original as a pattern, doing it the "very hard way." Is somebody else making them??? I did not know that the brake pedal was changed - do you know by how much? Was this change made around the same time the firewall was "pooched" out for more foot
room? As they are, the 32 pedals are often very close to the steering column. We have found that many of the 32 brake pedals have "sagged" in that direction over the years, due to the way they are angled over to the left AND no doubt from people "standing" on the brake pedal trying to get it stopped... The pedal bushings also wear at an angle, causing the pedal to rub on the openings in
the floor tin - very irritating. This also happens on 33-34's, but the column is way above the pedals on those...
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:12 AM   #9
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Richard,

Off the top of my head, the pedal was shortened by about a 1/2". I believe that the pedal change took place somewhat later than the firewall change. I'll check my resources and give you a better answer.

Mike McKennett of Portland, Oregon reproduces both the upper and lower plates. His upper plate has the reinforcing beads like the original.

As you said, worn upper and lower plates are commonplace on '32s and '33-'34s.
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:15 AM   #10
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Richard,

I should have added that the brake pedal was shortened because of potential interference with the engine bell housings.

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I should have added that the brake pedal was shortened because of potential interference with the engine bell housings.

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I was not aware of the pedal change. We have often encountered the interference when a later 59AB engine is installed in a 32, the remedy for which has been to "adjust" the attitude of the brake pedal so that it goes past the bell housing/block instead of hitting it, but not so far that the pedal/pad is too close to the steering column tube. We had thought that this problem was occurring because the later blocks are a little fatter than a 32-36 in that area, but apparently it was also a problem early on... Good to know! Thanks!
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:30 PM   #12
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You're welcome!

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Old 08-05-2011, 10:11 PM   #13
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Well here is mine. Several coats of Primer and several of enamel. Man these cars teach patience......
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Who sells the filler pad that goes between the plates?
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Dick Spadaro amongst many others.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:43 PM   #16
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Cool I will call Dick Monday.
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:10 PM   #17
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Page 465 of Bob Drake's latest catalog shows a B-700392 Top Plate for $24.00 that looks like the one in Jim1932's picture four posts above . He doesn't list a Bottom Plate. I sold Bob a top plate like Jim's and a 32 Transmission Cover Plate a couple of years ago before Dave's new books came out. I'm not sure what version of the transmission cover plate that I sent Bob, but his reproduction of it isn't in his latest catalog.
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The drawing on his doesn't match mine. His is rectangular while my original has the corners angled off on one end.
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OK...YES I read the book....

The Plate onthe left in the photo came of my original looking floorboard. It is 2 1/2" by 9 1/2" (I repainted it recently). When I thought I did not have the bottom plate I bought the plate on the right in the photo (Obviously modified).

Questions: The plate on the left, I do not find in the book....is this an "A" part? The plate on the right is in the drawing on the bottom left on page 15-17.

What is the plate on the left? Also, in reading the text and picture, they refer to a "weather pad" that goes between the plates. With the two 1"+ round pads on my "original", I don't see any way the weather pad would fit in between. Anyone have insight or better yet....pictures.... of this set up.
Not too sure on lower pieces but the thingie at the top looks like a computer key board. LOL
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Not too sure on lower pieces but the thingie at the top looks like a computer key board. LOL
I think that was a dealer add-on for 32......
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Jim, since 32 was before laptops, are you sure that wasn't standard equipment so that the owner could program timing , fuel curve, etc?...........
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david
do you have a picture of the plates assembled. i know it would be hard to see all but what holds the plates down as the wood floor does not allow for screws to go through every mounting hole area. do you know what all the holes are for in the bottom plate ie the 1/8 holes. Also, so i get the sequence right. the completely rectangle plate that you refer to as "lower" go where? Does not look like it will fit with the 45 degrees center side of firewall.
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I've no photo of it all attached to the #1 floorboard, but the following should get you there: The are three countersunk holes stamped into the upper plate (the one on top of the wood floorboard), one each in the corners on the left side of the plate and one in the center of the plate on the right side near the edge. All three are for #12-24 flat head screws that attach the board assembly to the leg of the firewall (the two on the left side of the plate) and the lower lip of the firewall itself (the one on the right side of the upper plate). With both plates in your hands note how the holes in the lower left corner and upper right corner of the lower plate line up exactly with the countersunk holes in the lower left corner and right center of the upper plate and at the same time all of the cutouts for the pedals and steering column line up exactly as well. This is how the final assembly will be when attached to the #1 wood floorboard with the sponge rubber weather seal between the two plates approximating the thickness of the plywood. The three little holes (originally they were smaller than 1/8") along the bottom edge of the lower plate is where tacks or nails were used to attach the lower plate to the engine compartment side of the wood floorboard so that it could all be assembled outside of the car into a whole assembly.


The remaining hole on the left side of the upper plate (not countersunk) is for the attachment of a stud (push pin) to retain the floor mat/carpeting. It is one of four such mat/carpet retainers strung along near the top of the #1 floorboard from one end to the other. The other three locations have a steel female socket inserted from the underside of the wood board into holes which are hopefully already in your board. The photos below show the sockets and the studs (one for mats and the other for carpeting) that insert into the sockets and the upper pedal plate hole in its left side. Both the female sockets and both types of push pins are difficult to come by in their original form. If you have the original #1 floorboard, likely it still has the original three female sockets intact and they normally can be removed and reused. (All three photos are from Appendix 11 of the book.)



Your sponge rubber weather seal may or may not have holes that line up with the three countersunk holes for the screws passing through the upper plate. If not, you'll have to add those holes for the screws to pass through. No separate hole in the weather seal is necessary for the mat/carpet retaining stud as they aren't very long.
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Hi David,


Can you please tell me if the "Floating Stud" is for the underside of the carpet? I have a set, new repros for the wood but all are the capped stud type. I think they may be for a mat?

The link mentioned in this thread is helpful for hole placement.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showp...56&postcount=5

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Hi Glenn,

The floating stud is for use with carpets. The T-shaped studs like the two in your photo are for use with rubber mats. The fastener in the lower right corner of your photo inserts into phaeton/roadster door inner panels and serves as the attachment of the special nails that retain the door trim panels of the standard versions of those two body types. The upper socket in your photo is unknown to me.
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Thank you David!



You amaze me with all the specific details you know.


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