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RalphM · 07-14-2016, 09:34 PM

On my way to a club meeting after work, and pow! Something broke loose, I didn't snap an axle, because it was still driving ok, but boy there's an awful noise coming out of the left rear.
Stay tuned.

petehoovie · 07-14-2016, 09:35 PM

Did you walk back and look for parts???

RalphM · 07-14-2016, 10:58 PM

No, I think thier still rattling around in the brake drum. I'm thinking either I sheared an axle key, or the brake shoe return spring broke, or part of the e-brake hardware?
First problem I have is how to get the hubcap off without bending the trim ring.

outlaw · 07-14-2016, 11:23 PM

Damn young hot rodders! How many feet of rubber did you lay down?

RalphM · 07-14-2016, 11:26 PM

Actually I was getting on the highway, may have put my foot into it abit too much, nah. I was doing about 60 when it let go.
First thought I had was broken axle.

outlaw · 07-14-2016, 11:29 PM

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Ralph, I hope that it is not hurt too bad & is a easy fix. Bill

RalphM · 07-14-2016, 11:55 PM

Me too! But in case of emergencies I have two spare rear axles.

deuce_roadster · 07-15-2016, 12:28 AM

If you are driving the hub with the axle key, the hub isn't tight enough. The surface area of the taper on the axle and inside the hub gives enough friction to propel the car with no pressure on the key at all when everything is up to spec. This topic isn't new here.
I would be VERY suspicious of the axle if you did shear off a key. That is how a crack begins at the inner end of the key groove. I would have it magnafluxed or die penetrant check done before I trusted it. That is IF you did shear a key.

my4dv8 · 07-15-2016, 03:33 AM

We were on a 6 day run and on the last 3 hrs from home we had a horrendous noise from the rt rear. Found very unhelpful garages they didn't want to know . Jacked it up and pulled the drum ( oh we got the drum off easy as we had fitted F100 slide in axles 3 years before) and found the handbrake cable clip had somehow come off and cable end was rubbing on the drum magnifying the noise. So wow that was an easy fix but the noisy was LOUD.

paul2748 · 07-15-2016, 10:04 PM

Go on ebay and get set of those nylon? pry tools. They work very nice and no scratches.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RalphM

No, I think thier still rattling around in the brake drum. I'm thinking either I sheared an axle key, or the brake shoe return spring broke, or part of the e-brake hardware?
First problem I have is how to get the hubcap off without bending the trim ring.

TonyM · 07-15-2016, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RalphM

First problem I have is how to get the hubcap off without bending the trim ring.

A vintage Ford tire iron, used correctly, will not damage the trim ring.

RalphM · 07-15-2016, 10:52 PM

Well, for all that noise it wasn't so bad. The ebrake lever pin clip fell off and the pieces were rolling around in there. New PRC parts!
I'll look for some old originals.
The brake springs I'm using are original as I couldn't get the darn repops to go on there.

RalphM · 07-15-2016, 10:56 PM

My solution for the hubcap, a pair of Diesel engine injector removal bars.

outlaw · 07-15-2016, 11:02 PM

Ralph, Glad that it wasn't anything major. It won't take anytime to get it back on the road.

FordCustom · 07-15-2016, 11:14 PM

You want to know the sad part. The drum brakes on the 98 Ford truck in the driveway, stlll use those exact clips.

mike42 · 07-16-2016, 01:23 AM

Take the trim rings off first before the hub cap.

RalphM · 07-16-2016, 10:33 AM

I would have, but was worried about bending them as well, thier in pretty tight.
Plus I've seen wheels that the trim rings have been on and off multiple times,
They are all gouged up. These are powder coated, but I think it would still eat them up.

JSeery · 07-16-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RalphM

Well, for all that noise it wasn't so bad. The ebrake lever pin clip fell off and the pieces were rolling around in there. New PRC parts!
I'll look for some old originals.
The brake springs I'm using are original as I couldn't get the darn repops to go on there.

You should be able to get the clips at about any autoparts store. Need to be sure that they are on good and crumped down properly.

APDAVE · 07-16-2016, 11:16 AM

Don't pry on the outside edge of the trim ring, pry on inside they will come of with out damage.

scrapiron · 07-16-2016, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RalphM

My solution for the hubcap, a pair of Diesel engine injector removal bars.

I've had a pair of them for almost 50 years, used for everything but diesel work,,,,a great every now & then tool.

07-14-2016, 09:35 PM	#2
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,081	Re: I think I broke something :( Did you walk back and look for parts??? __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

07-14-2016, 11:23 PM	#4
outlaw Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eagle River,Alaska Posts: 352	Re: I think I broke something :( Damn young hot rodders! How many feet of rubber did you lay down?

07-14-2016, 11:26 PM	#5
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: I think I broke something :( Actually I was getting on the highway, may have put my foot into it abit too much, nah. I was doing about 60 when it let go. First thought I had was broken axle.

07-14-2016, 11:29 PM	#6
outlaw Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eagle River,Alaska Posts: 352	Re: I think I broke something :( Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ralph, I hope that it is not hurt too bad & is a easy fix. Bill

07-14-2016, 11:55 PM	#7
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: I think I broke something :( Me too! But in case of emergencies I have two spare rear axles.

07-15-2016, 12:28 AM	#8
deuce_roadster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shelton, WA Posts: 3,799	Re: I think I broke something :( If you are driving the hub with the axle key, the hub isn't tight enough. The surface area of the taper on the axle and inside the hub gives enough friction to propel the car with no pressure on the key at all when everything is up to spec. This topic isn't new here. I would be VERY suspicious of the axle if you did shear off a key. That is how a crack begins at the inner end of the key groove. I would have it magnafluxed or die penetrant check done before I trusted it. That is IF you did shear a key.

07-15-2016, 03:33 AM	#9
my4dv8 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,111	Re: I think I broke something :( We were on a 6 day run and on the last 3 hrs from home we had a horrendous noise from the rt rear. Found very unhelpful garages they didn't want to know . Jacked it up and pulled the drum ( oh we got the drum off easy as we had fitted F100 slide in axles 3 years before) and found the handbrake cable clip had somehow come off and cable end was rubbing on the drum magnifying the noise. So wow that was an easy fix but the noisy was LOUD.

07-15-2016, 11:02 PM	#14
outlaw Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Eagle River,Alaska Posts: 352	Re: I think I broke something :( Ralph, Glad that it wasn't anything major. It won't take anytime to get it back on the road.

07-15-2016, 11:14 PM	#15
FordCustom Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Houston, Tejas Posts: 274	Re: I think I broke something :( You want to know the sad part. The drum brakes on the 98 Ford truck in the driveway, stlll use those exact clips.

07-16-2016, 01:23 AM	#16
mike42 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Gaylord, Michigan Posts: 1,599	Re: I think I broke something :( Take the trim rings off first before the hub cap.

07-16-2016, 10:33 AM	#17
RalphM Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: North Pole, Alaska Posts: 2,651	Re: I think I broke something :( I would have, but was worried about bending them as well, thier in pretty tight. Plus I've seen wheels that the trim rings have been on and off multiple times, They are all gouged up. These are powder coated, but I think it would still eat them up.

07-16-2016, 11:16 AM	#19
APDAVE Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 228	Re: I think I broke something :( Don't pry on the outside edge of the trim ring, pry on inside they will come of with out damage.