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Mike V. Florida · 08-13-2014, 08:16 AM

Ok, I know it looks messy but please read through it before you check off items as there are A,B, Both kind of questions.

This is for a Winfield style head, not a stock Ford head.

Please post a comment as to where you feel the spark plug placement should be and why, also please comment as to any other option/improvements you would like to see in a head.

As you have guessed Tod asked me to post these questions. You will be able to answer for 30 days then it will close.

gwhite · 08-13-2014, 08:32 AM

Would love to see a correct Winfield or Super Winfield reproduced. Would also be interested in an accurate "police head".

waxhead · 08-13-2014, 09:06 AM

Super Winfield Iron head would be good. Sorry, but don't know enough about spark plug placement to comment, but interested to hear others opinions on the subject

rtsidejohnny · 08-13-2014, 03:44 PM

I agree with "gwhite" winfield super and good police.

Tod · 08-13-2014, 04:13 PM

I sent G an Excel version of my Winfield.

I also saved the images as jpegs and pngs. How do I post them?

Tod

Rowdy · 08-13-2014, 04:22 PM

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Was hoping Larry B.would make some more, but I think the brumfields are gone for good. Glad I have one put back for the delivery sedan. Rod

gwhite · 08-13-2014, 05:01 PM

Tod, here are the images...looks good!

hardtimes · 08-13-2014, 08:09 PM

Hey gwhite, thanks for helping and posting these images !
Hey Mike V... good stuff, thanks for poll. I do not see place for comments at bottom of poll, so here goes.
Tod: Ed Winfield was acknowledged genius at A/B speed stuff..flatheads and OHV heads. His IRON heads are sought after...for their performance and durability.
Winfield placed the plug between the two valves as in this picture...with the same comb chamber seen (as your image):

This is picture of super Winfield (copy ?) at about 8.5:1 .
Cragar also had a very successful OHV head with plug in (similar,but not exact) position between valves.
So called hemi chamber had/has great success with plug placed between valves.

PLUG LOCATION: So my choice would be that the plug be located approx. between intake/exhaust valves. Maybe a tad closer to exhaust if not centered.

WEIGHT of head; very thick castings please! I suggest that you cast PLENTY thick iron in face of head, so that despite wear and/or unavoidable damage, the head can be milled/fixed safely with no worry regarding thinness of material and subsequent water jacket cracks happening.
NOTE;
I've owned a finned iron head that weighed 53 lbs and performed very well. However, IMO, that heads' comb chamber and plug placement was not ideal as Winfield.

OUTWARD APPEARANCE; If you stay fathful to the Winfield iron heads basic outer appearance,i.e.- proud stud nut surfaces and WINFIELD script and number pad placement , I'd buy either SUPER WINFIELD AND regular WINFIELD copies.
However, If you decide to make a (cooling) FINNED style Winfield/Weiand ....high and/or extra high compression ratios..I'd buy !
NOTE; Winfield made colored heads to denote high and higher comp ratios..we can do our own coloring if wanted, IMO.

ACCESSORIES; I'd like to see a bung/threaded hole(s) at the rear of iron head to facilitate cooling hose attachment and/or temperature gauge attachment.

Plus making provision for LARGE valve use without ending up with thin margins either gasket and/or thin head thickness. Time for nap.....

Tod · 08-13-2014, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes

Hey gwhite, thanks for helping and posting these images !
Hey Mike V... good stuff, thanks for poll. I do not see place for comments at bottom of poll, so here goes.
Tod: Ed Winfield was acknowledged genius at speed stuff. His IRON heads are sought after...for performance durability.
He placed the plug between the two valves as in this picture...with the chamber seen (same as your image):

Right, Rick. That's where mine will be. The images are just the cutting models that Surfcam will develop cutting programs from. Of course there is more to it than what I have shown, but the basic image gives the idea of the part looks. I will also cut in the piston reliefs. Since I machine A heads all the time it will be very easy to simply add the programming for a different spark plug. Fixturing is already in place.

Tod

SUHRsc · 08-14-2014, 07:33 AM

6:1 Iron Crows Foot Winfield

Tod · 08-14-2014, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUHRsc

6:1 Iron Crows Foot Winfield

That's what I suspected from what I have seen before. I can make either.

Tod

ronn · 08-14-2014, 09:52 AM

How many times are we allowed to vote?

that Winfield is the cats meow............

nickair · 08-14-2014, 01:44 PM

New quality parts are always a big plus in the A world.

hardtimes · 08-14-2014, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tod

Right, Rick. That's where mine will be. The images are just the cutting models that Surfcam will develop cutting programs from. Of course there is more to it than what I have shown, but the basic image gives the idea of the part looks. I will also cut in the piston reliefs. Since I machine A heads all the time it will be very easy to simply add the programming for a different spark plug. Fixturing is already in place.

Tod

'I will also cut in the piston reliefs'............or not, depending on CR

From poll, looks like more than fifty already...or are polls deceiving

!

Tod · 08-14-2014, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes

'I will also cut in the piston reliefs'............or not, depending on CR

From poll, looks like more than fifty already...or are polls deceiving

!

Right. If a customer asks for no relief cuts I can eliminate them.

And it looks to me like 67 respondents. If there are that many interested I will begin cutting the pattern as soon as the other work in the machine and new patterns on order are cut. Probably looking at a month or so before I can get to it. Maybe I can have the basic pattern cut by Hershey time. No matter what, I will have pics posted here as I go along. I will cut one top pattern and 2 different combustion chamber patterns. Giddy up!!

Tod

waxhead · 08-14-2014, 08:05 PM

Great news

nickair · 08-14-2014, 08:55 PM

The polls are favoring just what I was wanting. I hope to buy a 6.1 head to replace mine this winter. Count me in for an order.

redmodelt · 08-14-2014, 09:59 PM

I would think going with the B pump so as to get rid of the long bolts at the front and you could get more even torquing for all the studs. If I am gong to put a high compression head why would I want to hide it!

Varoom

Dodge · 08-15-2014, 02:49 AM

The Crows foot for sure, it was a better design that the later Winfield head. I think
he had to change it for patent reasons with Ricardo. The early one breathed better.

hardtimes · 08-15-2014, 03:04 AM

Hey Tod,
Please take a look at the aluminum Winfield that I posted above and another look at the iron Winfield . Particular attention to the really wide gasket support areas of the alum head....BETWEEN cyls 1/2 , 3/4. Now look at the really narrow gasket support same areas of the iron head. VERY VERY important consideration ...is wide/sufficient gasket support in these TWO areas , particularly the higher comp ratio gets.

View Poll Results: What head questions would you like to see on the market?
Would you prefer/buy iron	103	71.53%
Would you prefer/buy alum head	15	10.42%
Would you prefer/buy both;	24	16.67%
What combustion chamber shape would you buy crowfoot style chamber	24	16.67%
What combustion chamber shape would you buy Heart style chamber;	22	15.28%
Combustion chamber shape would give the best results.	65	45.14%
What range of compression ratio would you buy, 5:1,	18	12.50%
What range of compression ratio would you buy,6:1	78	54.17%
What range of compression ratio would you buy, 7:1	39	27.08%
What range of compression ratio would you buy, 8:1	17	11.81%
What range of compression ratio would you buy, 9:1	8	5.56%
What range of compression ratio would you buy, higher than 9:1	2	1.39%
Would you prefer/buy stock appearing head	91	63.19%
Would you prefer/buy finned head	35	24.31%
A water pump mounting	124	86.11%
B water pump mounting	16	11.11%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

08-13-2014, 08:16 AM	#1
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 14,054	New head options Ok, I know it looks messy but please read through it before you check off items as there are A,B, Both kind of questions. This is for a Winfield style head, not a stock Ford head. Please post a comment as to where you feel the spark plug placement should be and why, also please comment as to any other option/improvements you would like to see in a head. As you have guessed Tod asked me to post these questions. You will be able to answer for 30 days then it will close. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II Last edited by Mike V. Florida; 08-25-2014 at 11:13 PM.

08-13-2014, 08:32 AM	#2
gwhite Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas: Where Bob Wills is still the king! Posts: 354	Re: New head options Would love to see a correct Winfield or Super Winfield reproduced. Would also be interested in an accurate "police head".

08-13-2014, 09:06 AM	#3
waxhead Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: West Australia Posts: 346	Re: New head options Super Winfield Iron head would be good. Sorry, but don't know enough about spark plug placement to comment, but interested to hear others opinions on the subject

08-13-2014, 03:44 PM	#4
rtsidejohnny Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: S.F. Bay Area North Posts: 15	Re: New head options I agree with "gwhite" winfield super and good police.

08-13-2014, 04:13 PM	#5
Tod Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salem, Ohio Posts: 1,058	Re: New head options I sent G an Excel version of my Winfield. I also saved the images as jpegs and pngs. How do I post them? Tod

08-13-2014, 04:22 PM	#6
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: New head options Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Was hoping Larry B.would make some more, but I think the brumfields are gone for good. Glad I have one put back for the delivery sedan. Rod

08-13-2014, 05:01 PM	#7
gwhite Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Texas: Where Bob Wills is still the king! Posts: 354	Re: New head options Tod, here are the images...looks good!

08-14-2014, 07:33 AM	#10
SUHRsc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: near Hershey, PA Posts: 875	Re: New head options 6:1 Iron Crows Foot Winfield __________________ -WANTED- Pre-War Speed Equipment Davies or Morrison Intake Manifold 77-6050B, 81AS - 81SB - 99AS - 99SB 19AS cylinder heads

08-14-2014, 09:52 AM	#12
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,791	Re: New head options How many times are we allowed to vote? that Winfield is the cats meow............

08-14-2014, 01:44 PM	#13
nickair Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 132	Re: New head options New quality parts are always a big plus in the A world. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L.D. I have 40 horses in the garage. Only feed them when I want to take them out. 31 Model A Tudor 55B Nick

08-14-2014, 08:05 PM	#16
waxhead Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: West Australia Posts: 346	Re: New head options Great news

08-14-2014, 08:55 PM	#17
nickair Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 132	Re: New head options The polls are favoring just what I was wanting. I hope to buy a 6.1 head to replace mine this winter. Count me in for an order. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L.D. I have 40 horses in the garage. Only feed them when I want to take them out. 31 Model A Tudor 55B Nick

08-14-2014, 09:59 PM	#18
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,342	Re: New head options I would think going with the B pump so as to get rid of the long bolts at the front and you could get more even torquing for all the studs. If I am gong to put a high compression head why would I want to hide it! Varoom

08-15-2014, 02:49 AM	#19
Dodge Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sonoma, CA. Posts: 1,497	Re: New head options The Crows foot for sure, it was a better design that the later Winfield head. I think he had to change it for patent reasons with Ricardo. The early one breathed better.

08-15-2014, 03:04 AM	#20
hardtimes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South California Posts: 6,188	Re: New head options Hey Tod, Please take a look at the aluminum Winfield that I posted above and another look at the iron Winfield . Particular attention to the really wide gasket support areas of the alum head....BETWEEN cyls 1/2 , 3/4. Now look at the really narrow gasket support same areas of the iron head. VERY VERY important consideration ...is wide/sufficient gasket support in these TWO areas , particularly the higher comp ratio gets.