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06-09-2021, 09:45 AM | #1 |
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Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Collected all parts required (‘47 ford parts), all parts new or cleaned up refreshed. Got a few questions:
1-Is arcing the shoes really necessary? I’ve read the new replacement shoes fit & roundness is adequate to put on as is & break-in as done on newer vehicles I.e. late ‘60’s cars? 2-I’m using the ‘47 brakes all around as I have & r good with plans to convert to Lincoln Bendix type in front when $ allow. Will the Bendix type fit on direct swap when I do? 3-I’m using Richard’s Early Ford Garage Juice brake conversion kit ( uses existing brake pedal & linkage to single well ‘47 Master Cylinder. Any heads up on issues from anyone who used this set up on vehicle with fully assemble car I.e body on, engine / tranny in, interior in etc. would be appreciated!
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
1. It depends, but most likely the shoes will have to be arced to fit the drums. You can check each shoe by placing it in the drum. If they are fairly close you may be able to fit them using sandpaper in the drum and working on the shoe. On Bendix brakes this is not a big issue on Lockheed brakes it IS a big deal.
2. Not total sure I understand this question, but Bendix brakes require different backing plates, so it would require new backing plates and everything that connects to the backing plates. I also think it requires new drums as well. So not not much left except the hubs. |
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06-09-2021, 12:08 PM | #3 |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Thx J & on the Bendix for the front to do later I’m planning on buying the backing plate as part of kit offered by Early Ford Garage / Richard, Bolling Bros. Or Speed way. I’ve spoken to Richard about the Drums & the Lincoln 2” will fit on the ‘47 Lockheed’s or the Bendix. I am planning to buy the drums now as I can use later on Bendix to.
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Most of my experience is with the F1/F100 setups, so I wasn't sure on the drums.
And on the F1/F100 setups I'm to cheap to spring for the price of the new custom drums, so I use a work around that I'm happy with, LOL. |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Beware, there have been some complaints about the SpeedWay drums.
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'35 & '36 spindles are kind of "oddballs", and each is a 'ONE-YEAR-ONLY' piece. What the two years DO have in common is that the register that the backing plate fits over is the same size BOTH years, but SMALLER in diameter than the hole in '37-'48 backing plates. IF YOU KEEP YOUR '35 spindles, you're going to have to do some modifying to your backing plates. <<NOW IS THE TIME TO CONVERT TO '37-'48 SPINDLES>>! IF you do not change spindles, the size of the 4 holes...AND THE BOLT-CIRCLES in the spindles and backing plates...do NOT match. Most folks agree that welding-up the holes in the backing plates and then re-drilling new, smaller diameter holes on the correct bolt circle, is the way to do it, along with STILL having to use the "filler" ring for the hole size mis-match. What you plan to do (the upgrade to hydraulics, especially the Bendix in front) is great....you'll never look back. But if it were me, I'd upgrade to the '37-48 spindles before the brake swap. One more thing....."Krylon32" (Gary) is a dealer for the Boling Bros/MT brakes and offers a 10% discount to FordBarn members. DD ........ |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Thx Coop! I was planning on new 37-48 spindles as I needed king pins replaced, will do w new 37-48 spindles that include king pins! Thx for the Info on “Krykon 32” as well. Will definitely talk to Gary!
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Also like Gary, great guy to deal with.
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
When I converted my '36 to hydraulics, I used a '39 front axle and backing plates, but had to reuse my '36 spindles, otherwise the tires would have stuck out too far.
Also, I had clearance problems between my left side dual exhaust and the master cylinder. I had to put some insulation between them to keep from boiling the brake fluid. |
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Thx for the heads up Steve!
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Anthony .....IF you do decide to change to a '37-'41 axle, you MUST also use a '37-'40 WISHBONE, which will bolt-up and 'fit' perfectly (as an assembly) in a '35-'36. Just for an idea of axle fitments and wheel spacing in a '35-'36, this '36 of Heard's has a dropped '40 axle/wishbone and spindles. Those are stock 4"-wide Ford 16" wheels with 5.50 X R16 tires. DD Another helpful little table! |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
More good Info Coop! Thx!
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Noticed a stainless steel sleeved ‘39-‘48 master cylinder & not much more than regular w/o SS sleeve. Sounds like a smart thing to do on a vehicle driven only a 1000 mile or so annually. Thoughts?
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The originals were 1-1/16" bore. Does the new SS sleeve remain at 1-1/16" diameter? Hopefully, they have bored larger, and pressed-in 1-1/16" bore SS TUBE. Who is offering that SS cylinder? DD |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Spec’s still say 1 1/16”
Must be bored out to accept sleeve with 1 1/16” ID. Speedway, I know many don’t like Them but I haven’t had an issue w anything I’ve gotten. They’ve even taken a return from me & paid for shipping back on an item I screwed up on. I will report back with issues.. I also bought their Drop Forged 37-41 spindles pre-milled to accept Bendix backing plates. I’ll report back on them as well.
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
I recommend copper-nickel tubing for ease of bending and flaring. You might want to make preliminary pieces with old copper or coat hanger wire to get things right before bending the lines. (And always slide the fitting nut on before flaring!)
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Liked (And always slide the fitting nut on before flaring!)
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
I never did that , "And always slide the fitting nut on before flaring!"
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Sorry,for confusion, brain dead correction ! Changing35 to 37-48 rear hubs, will 35 hardware interchange, I.e., will original Bearing & hardware fit? Mine r in great shape (thinking previous owner replaced)!
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Or how about you DO slide it on (thinking you're covered), it slides down the tubing a bit, then you put a fairly tight radius bend above it, flare the tubing and then discover that your fitting is on the other side of the bend and won't slide back over the bend . . . I've done that a few too many times as well! |
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Hey AnthonyG, you can buy 25' rolls of NiCop tubing at places like Jegs.
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Will original Bearings & Nut fit?
Yes, they will interchange
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Bill's information is correct
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Or put the nut on backwards! But who would do that?
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I’m using the ‘37-‘41backing plates & rear hubs to use with Lockheed rear brakes. Should I order the seals, bearings, key & snap rings for the ‘37-‘41 & will it fit the ‘35 banjo rear axles?
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Re: Finally starting my 35s juice brake conversion
Once again I think Im making it more complicated than it is. In reading threads & asking questions I think Im mixing up what I need for stock Lockheed rear brakes & the The Bendix type conversion. In another thread it was said I could use my 35 drums if not cut over 12.085. As the 35 drum / hub is a pressed swedged assy are they compatible with the later years Lockheed backing plates? I was thinking probably wrongly not & that the 37-41 rear hub needed to be used
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