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Old 08-30-2019, 12:39 AM   #1
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It would seem as though right hand drive 33-34 steering sector shafts in a 15:1 ratio are out of stock in the major supplier's online catalogs

fortunately at least worm gears are still available.

A quick question - a friend was telling me a '36 17:1 worm gear and sector will interchange with the 33-34.

The worm gear has the same number, just a different pre-fix.

Is my friend correct? Can I use an aftermarket '36 worm and sector in a 32-34 steering box?

Thanks for in advance any information you guys can supply me with - this place is amazing with all Ford-sters amassing a depth of knowledge that exists out there.

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Old 08-30-2019, 07:10 AM   #2
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I am also interested. I believe your friend is correct. The 33-35 boxes (in USA) sector shaft use bushings in the housing and the 36 used bearings. From what I have seen the 33-35 sector shaft does not seem to fit the bearings used on the 36 properly(too small). You may have to have the 36 shaft ground to fit bushings or have the sector housing machined to fit the 36 bearings you will most likely want to have the housing machined and include a modern seal for the shaft.
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I am also interested. I believe your friend is correct. The 33-35 boxes (in USA) sector shaft use bushings in the housing and the 36 used bearings. From what I have seen the 33-35 sector shaft does not seem to fit the bearings used on the 36 properly(too small). You may have to have the 36 shaft ground to fit bushings or have the sector housing machined to fit the 36 bearings you will most likely want to have the housing machined and include a modern seal for the shaft.


The sector shafts should be the same size from 32-36. I had my early box machined to accept the 36 bearings and seals and didn't have to touch the sector shaft, granted my car is LHD.
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In the parts book the sector bushings are same 32-35,37, some replacement 36 sectors came with thick bushings
I don't know if the 32-34 box has same shaft centers as 35-36
The book shows different worm bearings for 32-35 and 36, but same lower race
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You can use a 1935 worm gear, but the 35/36 sector shafts are longer than a 32/34
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Mark, Have you tried 3rd gen,
Last month I got a set of nos rh gears for my 33 from them.
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Lawrie, yes I tried them, they are sold out and the line has been discontinued.
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You can use a 1935 worm gear, but the 35/36 sector shafts are longer than a 32/34
My friend's son is a machinist, maybe he can modify it to suit
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Oh well, that idea seems to have gone nowhere.

I have been informed that a 36 sector is way too short to use in a 32-34 steering box, as can be seen in the attached picture.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Anyone have a N.O.S. rhd 15:1 33-34 sector shaft lying around, that you're willing to sell?
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Oh well, that idea seems to have gone nowhere.

I have been informed that a 36 sector is way too short to use in a 32-34 steering box, as can be seen in the attached picture.

Thanks for everyone's input.

Anyone have a N.O.S. rhd 15:1 33-34 sector shaft lying around, that you're willing to sell?
Mark contact Flathead Ted on here he is fitting later internals in a 33-34 box
Looks stock but much better Available RHD or LHD -Karl
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Mark , we fitted one of flathead teds boxes up to a mates 33 VERY nice.
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Of course, why didn't I think of him.

Contact made.

I have chased up and purchased a bare 32 box, a bare 34 box, a complete 32 box, a complete 34 box, and a complete F1 box. Maybe I should have gone straight to him in the first instance instead of buying bits snd pieces from all over the place
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what are you going to do with the 33 box,
I may be intrested if you decide to offload it,
I,m mainly missing the columb tube for my 34 box.
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Mark , as Lawrie mentioned we fitted one of teds boxes in my 33 and it's like power steering.
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Long story short - I ordered a rhd worm and sector from MACS - for my $400 Aussie dollars, I got a $100 shipping bill, $50 in fees, and .... wait for it a Left hand drive worm and a left hand drive sector.

They claim the worms are the same (left and right hand drives) - not the case - on their ebay site - they sell a rhd worm under a different part number

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-35-For...1/174040444226

note the different part numbers on the part they sent me:

https://www.macsautoparts.com/store/...Product_Viewed

Pity they didn't send me this part

https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_m...er-387697.html

What is worse is that the box the sector shaft came in, was labelled with 2 different labels, one depicting it to be rhd, the other lhd.

Caveat emptor.

I have emailed them with my original order, and pictures of the parts with a comparison to the right hand drive parts after I pulled my original right hand drive steering box down for the rebuild.

I will update you guys with the results.

Gripe over
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Update - I phoned the company, and they informed me that they refunded the price of the parts - So when I got me credit card statement this whole exercise has left me $200 out of pocket, with me paying taxes on the parts and the shipping, bank fees to send and receive the money back, and additional shipping charges to send the parts back on their mislabeling of the parts.

So very disappointing.
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So ,what are you doing to fix your box.
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Update - I phoned the company, and they informed me that they refunded the price of the parts - So when I got me credit card statement this whole exercise has left me $200 out of pocket, with me paying taxes on the parts and the shipping, bank fees to send and receive the money back, and additional shipping charges to send the parts back on their mislabeling of the parts.

So very disappointing.

It IS disappointing, and really not a huge surprise. There are a FEW purveyors of cheap crapola out there in old car land that either sell SOME parts of questionable quality, sell LOTS of parts of questionable quality, show complete stupefaction when any reasonable customer service becomes necessary, or ALL of the above. Several folks have attempted to warn the masses to heed the obvious, and the too-numerous complaints ranging from A to Z with these guys. Heck, just looking at their ads and using a little wisdom should tell ya that some of the parts and their claims seem far too good to be true. There ARE still some really honest, caring and stand-up old Ford parts vendors out there. They are discussed with regularity here on the forum if you pay attention with an open mind. I'm very sorry to hear that this bunch really stuck it to you, both time-wise and financially. And, they'll be happy to do it to ya again if you give them another chance. DD
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I would call my credit card company and demand a full refund. You should not have to bare the burden of them shipping the wrong parts - that is on them. I would not take a loss like this and give them a pass.
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The early Chevy pick up boxes are much supperior to the Ford boxes. Maybe you could find an early 50's Chevy box and bolt that in. They are recirculating ball design like a Vega.
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The early Chevy pick up boxes are much supperior to the Ford boxes. Maybe you could find an early 50's Chevy box and bolt that in. They are recirculating ball design like a Vega.
Are there RH drive early Chevy pickups running around? I have no idea.
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Maybe in Australia where he lives?
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This looks like RHD! DD


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Yep, looks like it. I know nothing about early Chevys, here in the U.S. or worldwide.
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I have a 1936 complete steering col, including the correct original working lock & key with the arm in the shaft that I would sell. Shipping being the biggest problem. Kerk in Ma.
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I would call my credit card company and demand a full refund. You should not have to bare the burden of them shipping the wrong parts - that is on them. I would not take a loss like this and give them a pass.
The issue is they have shipped them across the other side of the world. The huge shipping costs makes them reluctant to fully refund all costs and to refund they often want the defective part back -another horrendous shipping bill . In the end you just write it off and don't deal with them again

However there are some good companies- I once brought a set of brake drums form Snyders . One was cracked . I sent photos and they shipped a new one that day -Didn't want the old one back

While we are talking steering boxes what is the size and thread of the filler plug on the 34 box ? Karl
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The issue is they have shipped them across the other side of the world. The huge shipping costs makes them reluctant to fully refund all costs and to refund they often want the defective part back -another horrendous shipping bill . In the end you just write it off and don't deal with them again

No, the issue is that THEY SCREWED-UP! They either mis-labeled the part, or didn't have the expertise OR DESIRE to understand the idiosyncrasies of the parts involved, nor the desire to stand-by any form of customer satisfaction. The RIGHT thing to do when in business is to eat crow and pony-up when mistakes are made. DD
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No, the issue is that THEY SCREWED-UP! They either mis-labeled the part, or didn't have the expertise OR DESIRE to understand the idiosyncrasies of the parts involved, nor the desire to stand-by any form of customer satisfaction. The RIGHT thing to do when in business is to eat crow and pony-up when mistakes are made. DD
I agree with you 100% and that is the way I run my business - But I would suggest to you that Business Ethics aren't what they used to be or should be for a lot of firms today. Realistically other than bad mouthing them on forums like this what ability have I ( a small customer) got to deal with a bad seller who is 12000 miles away and has probably never heard of my country and will never even notice I've stopped dealing with them . People say that bad press harms business but I'm not so sure -If that was the case no one who reads this forum would (rightly or wrongly ) buy anything from Macs and plenty do
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You can use a 1935 worm gear, but the 35/36 sector shafts are longer than a 32/34
So that will just mean that the sector shaft will hang out further out of the steering box if fitted to an earlier steering box?

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So that will just mean that the sector shaft will hang out further out of the steering box if fitted to an earlier steering box?
No, It is the other way around. The 35-6 sector is shorter. That is why the swap is impossible.

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Mark, Have you got amy usable parts for your box,Like can you male up a usable one.
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I am trying to get another shaft to replace the one in the steering box - mine having been turned down to now being too small to fit to ford steering wheel. A BARNer has offered me a rhd 34 box, so hopefully it has some 15:1 bits that are usable - thanks Bob.

Macs/Ecklers still advertises a right hand drive only worm and sector on their website under a 48 part number prefix, but I am reluctant to go down that path again.

there is a place in England that sells rhd parts, probably sourced from Macs. I might contact them to see if they have rhd parts to suit.

Otherwise - I have an F1 box with N.O.S. parts, and could change the mount and cut my losses with original 32-34 steering boxes.

Or there's those steering boxes from NZ!!!!
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Mark I would go with Teds NZ box . It will fit perfectly and outperform even the best restored box .-Karl
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Haven't seen one in years
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Thanks for the recommendation Karl. I will be looking into it shorty
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can some on tell me what flathead ted does or makes for 33-34 steering box ?
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Haven't seen one in years
I think the boxes were used thru 59
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Hi guys I have confirmed with my supplier in the USA and he currently has three sets of 1932 to 1934 Right Hand Drive Sectors & Worms 15:1 ratio in stock. A sector & worm landed in Oz will cost $AU 392.00 plus Australia Post to your residence. [email protected] Dave
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Well ,hows that for service,Dave you have done well,
Does he have a columbia for the 33/34.
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Hi guys I have confirmed with my supplier in the USA and he currently has three sets of 1932 to 1934 Right Hand Drive Sectors & Worms 15:1 ratio in stock. A sector & worm landed in Oz will cost $AU 392.00 plus Australia Post to your residence. [email protected] Dave
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Does he have a columbia for the 33/34.
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