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Bick in New Zealand · 11-03-2010, 05:27 PM

Spent some time yesterday with my panelbeater (Body man) checking progress, and answering questions he had. Pleased to report that we have made some progress in the last month, and the end is in sight.

George, Iowa · 11-03-2010, 05:31 PM

looking Good!

Dennis Pereira · 11-03-2010, 06:13 PM

Nice work Bick. Whats the color combo going to be? Wish I had a panel Beater.

Bick in New Zealand · 11-03-2010, 06:25 PM

Maroon / Black / Vermillion/ Black wheels.

Roadster62 · 11-03-2010, 08:35 PM

Very nice! I miss my '32 Vicky project.

MBI Houston · 11-03-2010, 10:13 PM

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Is a Panal Beater a real job title in New Zealand or is that just a slang name? Either way the car looks great.

pooch · 11-03-2010, 10:16 PM

Panel beater in OZ is what we are called on our licenses.

My license says panel beater and painter tradesman.

Karl · 11-04-2010, 12:19 AM

Bick I had Josh (one of the Panel beaters) in to see me yesterday. He says that it is completely outside his comfort zone and they have spent a lot of time ringing around "old guys" to find out how to put it back together. His personal opinion was that it would look good with no fenders and a 2 inch chop!!!.

That's the worst think about owning a Model A -I just don't have the time (and sometimes the skills) to do everything myself but the "old guys" I trust to work on it aren't thick on the ground anymore

Looking good though ! Will you have it ready for Art Deco? Karl

Craig Lewis · 11-04-2010, 12:45 AM

That looks very nice & pictures like this are an inspiration!
The Victoria has a certain grace about it...

Bick in New Zealand · 11-04-2010, 02:36 AM

A panel beater is a real job, it is someone who fixes automotive panels ie beats panels. Here they are called panel shops not body shops.
Karl no chance for Art Deco, I want to do this one correctly and am now in no hurry.

Cheers

Karl · 11-04-2010, 05:28 AM

Bick I'm sure it will turn out great ! The engine is B internals in an A block from what Graham Miller tells me. Having just found a cracked block on the Phaeton B motor my plan is to do the same and install the B crank ,pistons,cam etc out of it into an A block. In the meantime fortunately I restored an A motor a couple of years ago as a spare which I will install and run until I get around to redoing the B. Any dramas with doing it? Obviously the crank shaft needs to turned down.

We will be at Deco in the Phaeton although currently trying to convince my Father to take the Coupe as well ! Karl

Bick in New Zealand · 11-04-2010, 01:40 PM

My motor, is still sitting at Grahams, ask him to have a look next time you are near. Combination works well. Have got my entry in for Art Deco, looks like business as usual after the last few years of dramas!

Dick Carne · 11-04-2010, 01:54 PM

Karl --

Pardon my ignorance (once again), but isn't one of the major benefits of running a "B" engine the fact that it has a thicker crank? If so, what would be gained by turning it down to fit an "A" block?

Thanks --

Dick

Karl · 11-04-2010, 03:56 PM

Yeah that's what I thought but according to the engine rebuilder ,who is doing Bick and my motors and does most (if not all) of the vintage and veteran motors for this area , the B Block is inherently weaker ie more prone to crack than the the A block. He feels the advantages of the B are more compression and balanced crank plus better breathing rather than the thicker crank -I guess how often do you here of a Model A crank breaking (compared with the T's that did it all the time )I guess the other advantage of putting the B internals in the A is you get a stock appearence (assuming you use the aftermarket hi performance head with the A water pump-rather than the B head) with the increased performance

In my case finding a good B block would be the issue. Unless Bick has one floating around ????-Karl

Brian SATX · 11-04-2010, 09:56 PM

I am sure Tom Endy would like to have some of those pictures and the update for the Bustle.

Bill Cal. · 11-04-2010, 10:04 PM

Brian, did you sell your Victoria? It sure seemed like a nice one. Bill

buick300 · 11-15-2010, 12:49 AM

"aren't thick on the ground anymore" translates, I suspect into......not so many around above ground anymore.
Kiwi (occassionaly homesick) in Canada

quickchange · 11-15-2010, 02:52 AM

Karl i have two spare B blocks here , one is a complete engine, been rested for 40 years, still turns over, attempted to run it last tec night with some joy, Ran but noisy bottom end we think. Go good in VICKIES.

Karl · 11-15-2010, 02:12 PM

Derek it gets worse see my last post re problems with my recond engine installation -Karl

Dick Carne · 11-15-2010, 02:52 PM

Karl -

I agree that the "B" block is prone to crack between the # 2 and #3 cylinders (moreso than the "A:" block), but if the main difference to be gained is a balanced crank, then why not add counter-weights to an "A" crank. Admittedly the rods would not be as thick, but I'm not aware that these were a weak point with either of the two blocks. As for the cam, I would think that a "B" grind on an "A" cam might produce similar results. Again, perhaps my ignorance is coming through once more, I'm just interested in learning whatever I can on this subject. Thanks --

Dick

11-03-2010, 05:31 PM	#2
George, Iowa Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ames, Iowa Posts: 133	Re: Victoria progress. looking Good!

11-03-2010, 06:25 PM	#4
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: Victoria progress. Maroon / Black / Vermillion/ Black wheels.

11-03-2010, 08:35 PM	#5
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: Victoria progress. Very nice! I miss my '32 Vicky project.

11-03-2010, 10:13 PM	#6
MBI Houston Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: The Woodlands, TX Posts: 173	Re: Victoria progress. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Is a Panal Beater a real job title in New Zealand or is that just a slang name? Either way the car looks great.

11-03-2010, 10:16 PM	#7
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Victoria progress. Panel beater in OZ is what we are called on our licenses. My license says panel beater and painter tradesman.

11-03-2010, 06:13 PM	#3
Dennis Pereira Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Georgetown Divide Kelsey ca Posts: 868	Re: Victoria progress. Nice work Bick. Whats the color combo going to be? Wish I had a panel Beater. __________________ Dennis in Kelsey ca

11-04-2010, 12:19 AM	#8
Karl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manawatu, New Zealand Posts: 1,416	Re: Victoria progress. Bick I had Josh (one of the Panel beaters) in to see me yesterday. He says that it is completely outside his comfort zone and they have spent a lot of time ringing around "old guys" to find out how to put it back together. His personal opinion was that it would look good with no fenders and a 2 inch chop!!!. That's the worst think about owning a Model A -I just don't have the time (and sometimes the skills) to do everything myself but the "old guys" I trust to work on it aren't thick on the ground anymore Looking good though ! Will you have it ready for Art Deco? Karl

11-04-2010, 12:45 AM	#9
Craig Lewis Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Parksville B.C. Canada Posts: 880	Re: Victoria progress. That looks very nice & pictures like this are an inspiration! The Victoria has a certain grace about it...

11-04-2010, 02:36 AM	#10
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: Victoria progress. A panel beater is a real job, it is someone who fixes automotive panels ie beats panels. Here they are called panel shops not body shops. Karl no chance for Art Deco, I want to do this one correctly and am now in no hurry. Cheers

11-04-2010, 05:28 AM	#11
Karl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manawatu, New Zealand Posts: 1,416	Re: Victoria progress. Bick I'm sure it will turn out great ! The engine is B internals in an A block from what Graham Miller tells me. Having just found a cracked block on the Phaeton B motor my plan is to do the same and install the B crank ,pistons,cam etc out of it into an A block. In the meantime fortunately I restored an A motor a couple of years ago as a spare which I will install and run until I get around to redoing the B. Any dramas with doing it? Obviously the crank shaft needs to turned down. We will be at Deco in the Phaeton although currently trying to convince my Father to take the Coupe as well ! Karl

11-04-2010, 01:40 PM	#12
Bick in New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napier New Zealand Posts: 931	Re: Victoria progress. My motor, is still sitting at Grahams, ask him to have a look next time you are near. Combination works well. Have got my entry in for Art Deco, looks like business as usual after the last few years of dramas!

11-04-2010, 01:54 PM	#13
Dick Carne Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fayetteville, Georgia Posts: 467	Re: Victoria progress. Karl -- Pardon my ignorance (once again), but isn't one of the major benefits of running a "B" engine the fact that it has a thicker crank? If so, what would be gained by turning it down to fit an "A" block? Thanks -- Dick

11-04-2010, 03:56 PM	#14
Karl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manawatu, New Zealand Posts: 1,416	Re: Victoria progress. Yeah that's what I thought but according to the engine rebuilder ,who is doing Bick and my motors and does most (if not all) of the vintage and veteran motors for this area , the B Block is inherently weaker ie more prone to crack than the the A block. He feels the advantages of the B are more compression and balanced crank plus better breathing rather than the thicker crank -I guess how often do you here of a Model A crank breaking (compared with the T's that did it all the time )I guess the other advantage of putting the B internals in the A is you get a stock appearence (assuming you use the aftermarket hi performance head with the A water pump-rather than the B head) with the increased performance In my case finding a good B block would be the issue. Unless Bick has one floating around ????-Karl

11-04-2010, 09:56 PM	#15
Brian SATX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 821	Re: Victoria progress. I am sure Tom Endy would like to have some of those pictures and the update for the Bustle. __________________ Brian SATX

11-04-2010, 10:04 PM	#16
Bill Cal. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 174	Re: Victoria progress. Brian, did you sell your Victoria? It sure seemed like a nice one. Bill

11-15-2010, 12:49 AM	#17
buick300 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 31	Re: Victoria progress. "aren't thick on the ground anymore" translates, I suspect into......not so many around above ground anymore. Kiwi (occassionaly homesick) in Canada

11-15-2010, 02:52 AM	#18
quickchange Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nelson. New Zealand Posts: 2,009	Re: Victoria progress. Karl i have two spare B blocks here , one is a complete engine, been rested for 40 years, still turns over, attempted to run it last tec night with some joy, Ran but noisy bottom end we think. Go good in VICKIES.

11-15-2010, 02:12 PM	#19
Karl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Manawatu, New Zealand Posts: 1,416	Re: Victoria progress. Derek it gets worse see my last post re problems with my recond engine installation -Karl

11-15-2010, 02:52 PM	#20
Dick Carne Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fayetteville, Georgia Posts: 467	Re: Victoria progress. Karl - I agree that the "B" block is prone to crack between the # 2 and #3 cylinders (moreso than the "A:" block), but if the main difference to be gained is a balanced crank, then why not add counter-weights to an "A" crank. Admittedly the rods would not be as thick, but I'm not aware that these were a weak point with either of the two blocks. As for the cam, I would think that a "B" grind on an "A" cam might produce similar results. Again, perhaps my ignorance is coming through once more, I'm just interested in learning whatever I can on this subject. Thanks -- Dick