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06-24-2013, 10:59 PM | #1 |
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Ford prototypes?
Did Henry Ford ever release any early prototypes? If so are there any documented? I'm guessing Ford was a very tight knit guy. But the guy I bought my car from said that this way a very rare body, saying it was a prototype. I wanted to kinda follow up on this issue.
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06-25-2013, 03:12 AM | #2 |
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There are some ''prototypes'' that survive. The 1929 Budd Sedan with Model A running gear ; The 1931 Stainless Steel Tudor ; The aluminium bodied 1928 Town Car by Le Baron & the 1931 3W Coupe used by Edsel. There must be others, all more or less ''prototypes''
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The problem is...is when I bought the body it was only a body. there wasn't much to it and the guy who sold it to me said it had been in a riverbank and it'd been flooded multiple times(like completely submerged.) It's not a complete car there's no engine there's no frame there's not a lot there but what is there is very questionable. It has single point garnish trim, the gas tank cap is fine threaded. It just makes me question.
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06-25-2013, 06:46 AM | #5 |
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The guy who sold it to me said it was a prototype 1930. If I didn't know any of that it looks and measures just like a 1930 Murray town sedan.
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06-25-2013, 09:56 AM | #8 |
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First off, just because my car isn't already built when I bought it doesn't mean that I got husled. Second off, so why does this 1930 town sedan have a gas cap thread pattern that was only used in 28-29! It makes no sence. Besides somebody has to save these old bodies from being scrap metal. I mean somebody has to do it I'm asking for an answer this is not the first time I've restored one of these but it is different. Please was there any early made 30's that had the early gas tank threads on them. It's not aftermarket everything is original on the car.
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How about the 5 1928 station wagons without finger joints.
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06-25-2013, 10:00 AM | #10 |
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Well whatever it is, it is in pretty good shape for a riverbank body. Lots there to work with.
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There are others here that know better of a change over, but the short answer to the question of early 30 using threaded gas cap: yes. nothing special about it, other than looks good for being in water for a prolonged time. Oh, I believe the above posts were in good fun, good luck with the resto....
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06-25-2013, 10:26 AM | #12 |
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I've never seen or heard of a 30-31 model A gas tank that used a threaded gas cap. It could very well be a prototype.
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06-25-2013, 10:39 AM | #13 |
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Wasn't trying to be snippy just wanted serious answers. I've owned the car for a year now I'm I'm trying to do my best to get it back on the road. Is there any difference as far as the obvious to look for when looking at a 28-29 body as opposed to a 30-31 body.
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The cowl was different on the 28-29 fordor bodies. The 28-29 fordor bodies had the standard 28-29 gas tank with threaded neck , mounted under the top of the cowl, not exposed like most others. Does the body have wood subrails and wood framed doors? It appears to be a 30-31 straight windshield Murray town sedan .
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06-25-2013, 12:36 PM | #17 |
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I understand what your saying Brent, my mistake. The actual tank it self is threaded, and I have never seen that before. And the tank slides in from the top. I have pictures on my old phone of the gas tank. There was only one subframe rail in the car, and yes the doors are wood. It also has the single point garnish moulding that was on the 29's. To be 100% honest I just want to know what parts to order. Or if I have to make parts fit.
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I saw one once that had the same stem and cap on the tank as the 28/29's but had a 30 tank. I was led to believe, Ford used parts up on the line at change over and some got mixed like the early 28 A and the 27 T doors.
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The 28-29 gas tank won't fit a 30-31 cowl unless its on an early 30 truck or station wagon that used the coupe pillar style cowl. This must be a very rare tank or maybe custom built.
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The one I saw was a 30 tank true to form but it had a 28/29 neck with a screw on cap. It was on a AA truck. I was told that trucks got the left overs to be used up off the line.
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The trucks were already using the 1/4 turn cap in early to mid 30 with the 29 style cab.
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29 style cab ended in May 1930. From about November to May the 1/4 turn cap was used.
I scrapped a basketcase December 1929 AA truck with the quarter turn cap. Its possible that a reverse substitution might be done. Joe K
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There's a guy here in Texas with a 31 slant window sport coupe. The engine and frame number is "X" I guess for experimental?
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ThirtyFordor, you have asked a legitimate question regarding early Murray fordors, so it must be considered.
I am just organising a Ford Archives photo showing a 1930 Fordor prototype taken in late 1929. The pc I use for scanning is very slow, so bear with. |
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This photo from the Ford Archives is taken from Peter Winnewissers excellent book 'The Legendary Model A Ford'. Photo taken Oct. 16 1929 & highlights a few odd features that make it a prototype.
The 19" wheels have the rolled edge same as 21's ; cowl lamps similar to '29 style with different shaped arms ; headlamps may well be not quite the 1930 shape either?; 'eyebrow' front fenders[bead follows the front edge] ; there are odd interior rear quarter panel lamps. I can not tell from the photo, but I would not be surprised if the gas cap was threaded on same as the 1929 style tanks. It is interesting that this car has 1930 style bumpers as even some early 1930 cars sold here in NZ had the '29 bumpers fitted. It has the pressed steel headlamp bar which does not require plate clamps,an item seen in mid 1930 production also. There may be other oddities I have missed on this prototype. Are there any other features [ ie. obviously 1929 or unusual] that exist on your Sedan? I am sorry about the photo quality. Tom in NZ |
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