The Ford Barn

Darrell S · 01-01-2016, 10:47 AM

First off, Happy New Year to all of you Barners.

Yesterday I was working on the 48 removing the water pumps so I could install the Christmas presents that Santa brought. I now have a broken bolt on the right one. The one that goes into the water neck of the pump. Have tried PB Blaster and heat plus tapping with a hammer, there is only a small part of the bolt protruding out and vise grips just slip. Then drilled it for easy out but it still won't budge and I am afraid of breaking the easy out (easy?) off.

I know many of you guys with older cars than this have experience along this line, suggestions welcome.

SofaKing · 01-01-2016, 10:55 AM

If you have access to a welder, there are several threads here that explain the process of welding the broken bolt to a washer and then a nut to the washer then wrenching the whole assembly out. You will also find suggestions about using penetrant and even candle wax on the hot nut/washer/bolt assembly to lube the threads during removal. Pictures are always interesting, I am assuming it will be tough to access for welding. Keep us posted. Happy New Year

BW · 01-01-2016, 11:06 AM

With out seeing it, Can you drill out the bolt with out hurting the threads on the block to the point the bolt will break apart. The hard part is you need to drill threw the bolt and keep hitting it with PB Blaster. Before doing this I would see if anyone has a better idea. BW.

cmbrucew · 01-01-2016, 11:11 AM

Darrel S
You might consider leaving that issue to the machine shop that will be doing the machine work on the block. Easy for them.
Bruce

SofaKing · 01-01-2016, 11:13 AM

http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...n+bolt+removal

Try this link. I have never used this method having always welded the nut directly to the bolt but this seems a good way of not welding the nut to the block/parent metal by accident

19Fordy · 01-01-2016, 11:35 AM

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Here are more ideas for bolt removal.
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41LjH · 01-01-2016, 11:37 AM

cmbrucew has the right idea. The same thing happened to me.
I tried ez out,heat, vice grips, etc.,nothing worked.
Took the block to the machine shop with the waterpump and they were able to get the broken bolt out. In my case the more I tried the more difficult it became.
Good luck

Darrell S · 01-01-2016, 12:02 PM

Thanks for info on other threads, have read them. The engine is in the car and the spot is difficult to access. I don't have a welder but will try drilling using the old pump and a bushing as a guide to drill. I did raise the radiator up for room to work. I see that Napa has left turning drill bits, will check them tomorrow.

Karl Wolf · 01-01-2016, 02:02 PM

Figure that it maybe easier to work on the bolt when it's in a position where you can see what you're doing. When you get to doing it, you may decide to pull the engine...

Use sharp bits. And, NEVER USE AN EASY OUT, unless you can get to the back of the bolt with a punch.

I've never used a guide to drill out a bolt... you can steer the bit to stay to center. Being a dab off center makes it so that you can collapse the bolt remnants to the middle of the hole with a angle sharpened punch.

Karl

GB SISSON · 01-01-2016, 03:00 PM

Always hated that bolt.... Scares me to death when I'm doing a water pump in place. My heart goes out to you, it's a terrible situation. I'd be tempted to just skip that bolt and use a little extra gasket sealer, but being pump/motor mount combo is scary as well. Heat is normally your friend when breaking a bolt loose. Do I understand the old pump is removed?

tubman · 01-01-2016, 03:06 PM

Sell your "EZ-outs" (and all such associated gear) at your next garage sale and start a "Welder Fund". You'll be surprised how quickly your extra change can add up. I have been throwing mine in this goofy glassed-topped coffee table we have for about 6 years. I now have enough to pay the machine shop bill for my latest flathead build!

Ronnie · 01-01-2016, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

Sell your "EZ-outs" (and all such associated gear) at your next garage sale and start a "Welder Fund". You'll be surprised how quickly your extra change can add up. I have been throwing mine in this goofy glassed-topped coffee table we have for about 6 years. I now have enough to pay the machine shop bill for my latest flathead build!

Some have to learn the hard way lets just wait for the broken drill or easy out story.

R

Darrell S · 01-01-2016, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB SISSON

Always hated that bolt.... Scares me to death when I'm doing a water pump in place. My heart goes out to you, it's a terrible situation. I'd be tempted to just skip that bolt and use a little extra gasket sealer, but being pump/motor mount combo is scary as well. Heat is normally your friend when breaking a bolt loose. Do I understand the old pump is removed?

Yes, pumps are removed. It has had lots of heat, doesn't seem to want to break loose.

jake197000 · 01-01-2016, 06:58 PM

i know this doesnt help but ez outs r for getting the easy ones out.if u cant weld a nut on it id progressivly drill it and pick out the remains helicoil if ness.

Binx · 01-01-2016, 07:30 PM

Maybe ask around for a mobile welding service that can come to you. Here's an example of one an hour South of you... I would highly recommend TIG welding for that type of problem.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bar/5375924697.html

Lonnie

Charlie Stephens · 01-01-2016, 07:34 PM

Based on your location there should be a lot of shops that evolved to support the aerospace industry in removing broken bolts. Ask some of the auto repair shops where they take theirs.

Charlie Stephens

mrtexas · 01-01-2016, 07:40 PM

I removed the same bolt with a mig welder.

fordor41 · 01-02-2016, 12:13 AM

I hear a lot of chatter on how terrible easy-outs are. I have used them, both spiral and straight, in industry for years and don't think I have ever broken one. Of course I've never had to remove a bolt from a F/H water pump! Have to use the correct size and pick your battles. Some bolts are just plain impossible to remove by hand.

01-01-2016, 10:47 AM	#1
Darrell S Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Everett WA Posts: 346	Broken Bolt First off, Happy New Year to all of you Barners. Yesterday I was working on the 48 removing the water pumps so I could install the Christmas presents that Santa brought. I now have a broken bolt on the right one. The one that goes into the water neck of the pump. Have tried PB Blaster and heat plus tapping with a hammer, there is only a small part of the bolt protruding out and vise grips just slip. Then drilled it for easy out but it still won't budge and I am afraid of breaking the easy out (easy?) off. I know many of you guys with older cars than this have experience along this line, suggestions welcome.

01-01-2016, 10:55 AM	#2
SofaKing Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 756	Re: Broken Bolt If you have access to a welder, there are several threads here that explain the process of welding the broken bolt to a washer and then a nut to the washer then wrenching the whole assembly out. You will also find suggestions about using penetrant and even candle wax on the hot nut/washer/bolt assembly to lube the threads during removal. Pictures are always interesting, I am assuming it will be tough to access for welding. Keep us posted. Happy New Year

01-01-2016, 11:06 AM	#3
BW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 259	Re: Broken Bolt With out seeing it, Can you drill out the bolt with out hurting the threads on the block to the point the bolt will break apart. The hard part is you need to drill threw the bolt and keep hitting it with PB Blaster. Before doing this I would see if anyone has a better idea. BW.

01-01-2016, 11:11 AM	#4
cmbrucew Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: North of sandy ago, CA. Posts: 2,064	Re: Broken Bolt Darrel S You might consider leaving that issue to the machine shop that will be doing the machine work on the block. Easy for them. Bruce __________________ Works good Lasts long time

01-01-2016, 11:13 AM	#5
SofaKing Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 756	Re: Broken Bolt http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...n+bolt+removal Try this link. I have never used this method having always welded the nut directly to the bolt but this seems a good way of not welding the nut to the block/parent metal by accident

01-01-2016, 11:35 AM	#6
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,921	Re: Broken Bolt Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Here are more ideas for bolt removal. http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ater+pump+bolt

01-01-2016, 11:37 AM	#7
41LjH Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: NW North Carolina Posts: 461	Re: Broken Bolt cmbrucew has the right idea. The same thing happened to me. I tried ez out,heat, vice grips, etc.,nothing worked. Took the block to the machine shop with the waterpump and they were able to get the broken bolt out. In my case the more I tried the more difficult it became. Good luck __________________ 3 pedals, 3 gears, no valve-covers.. *Now THAT* is a hot rod** !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmwwB34vxJE

01-01-2016, 12:02 PM	#8
Darrell S Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Everett WA Posts: 346	Re: Broken Bolt Thanks for info on other threads, have read them. The engine is in the car and the spot is difficult to access. I don't have a welder but will try drilling using the old pump and a bushing as a guide to drill. I did raise the radiator up for room to work. I see that Napa has left turning drill bits, will check them tomorrow.

01-01-2016, 02:02 PM	#9
Karl Wolf Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mill Valley,Ca. Posts: 1,509	Re: Broken Bolt Figure that it maybe easier to work on the bolt when it's in a position where you can see what you're doing. When you get to doing it, you may decide to pull the engine... Use sharp bits. And, NEVER USE AN EASY OUT, unless you can get to the back of the bolt with a punch. I've never used a guide to drill out a bolt... you can steer the bit to stay to center. Being a dab off center makes it so that you can collapse the bolt remnants to the middle of the hole with a angle sharpened punch. Karl

01-01-2016, 03:00 PM	#10
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,914	Re: Broken Bolt Always hated that bolt.... Scares me to death when I'm doing a water pump in place. My heart goes out to you, it's a terrible situation. I'd be tempted to just skip that bolt and use a little extra gasket sealer, but being pump/motor mount combo is scary as well. Heat is normally your friend when breaking a bolt loose. Do I understand the old pump is removed? __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

01-01-2016, 03:06 PM	#11
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,303	Re: Broken Bolt Sell your "EZ-outs" (and all such associated gear) at your next garage sale and start a "Welder Fund". You'll be surprised how quickly your extra change can add up. I have been throwing mine in this goofy glassed-topped coffee table we have for about 6 years. I now have enough to pay the machine shop bill for my latest flathead build!

01-01-2016, 06:58 PM	#14
jake197000 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 349	Re: Broken Bolt i know this doesnt help but ez outs r for getting the easy ones out.if u cant weld a nut on it id progressivly drill it and pick out the remains helicoil if ness.

01-01-2016, 07:30 PM	#15
Binx Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Gloucester VA Posts: 1,042	Re: Broken Bolt Maybe ask around for a mobile welding service that can come to you. Here's an example of one an hour South of you... I would highly recommend TIG welding for that type of problem. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bar/5375924697.html Lonnie

01-01-2016, 07:34 PM	#16
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,030	Re: Broken Bolt Based on your location there should be a lot of shops that evolved to support the aerospace industry in removing broken bolts. Ask some of the auto repair shops where they take theirs. Charlie Stephens

01-01-2016, 07:40 PM	#17
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: Broken Bolt I removed the same bolt with a mig welder.

01-02-2016, 12:13 AM	#18
fordor41 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: elmira,ny Posts: 1,516	Re: Broken Bolt I hear a lot of chatter on how terrible easy-outs are. I have used them, both spiral and straight, in industry for years and don't think I have ever broken one. Of course I've never had to remove a bolt from a F/H water pump! Have to use the correct size and pick your battles. Some bolts are just plain impossible to remove by hand.