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PeteVS · 10-22-2021, 11:40 AM

I'm putting things together. The bolt and washer that retain the universal to the transmission output shaft: Does the small tab on the washer face out to the bolt head or in towards the front half of the universal? Thanks!

(This is a "39 trans.)

Kube · 10-22-2021, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteVS

I'm putting things together. The bolt and washer that retain the universal to the transmission output shaft: Does the small tab on the washer face out to the bolt head or in towards the front half of the universal? Thanks!

(This is a "39 trans.)

Pete, Is you look close, the washer has a cone to it. The cone faces away from the engine. In other words, the convex side is nearest the head of the bolt.
The cone is what gives the washer a locking characteristic.

V8COOPMAN · 10-22-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube

Pete, Is you look close, the washer has a cone to it. The cone faces away from the engine. In other words, the convex side is nearest the head of the bolt.
The cone is what gives the washer a locking characteristic.

The REAL washer! DD

Lawrie · 10-22-2021, 03:06 PM

The small tab locks I into the spline on the engine side of the u/joint. to stop the washer from turning.
Lawrie

19Fordy · 10-22-2021, 05:06 PM

Would it be ok to install it using an impact wrench?

PeteVS · 10-22-2021, 06:16 PM

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Thanks all. I was in a hurry so I put it in with the "tab" towards the bolt head. I don't see if my washer has a dome to it. I have at least one more. I'll double check and if they're all the same, I'll just have to take the trans out and redo it. At least I didn't get around to get the engine in. Do any of the vendors have the "real" washer? (That's what's known as a Belleville washer.)

Kube · 10-22-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteVS

Thanks all. I was in a hurry so I put it in with the "tab" towards the bolt head. I don't see if my washer has a dome to it. I have at least one more. I'll double check and if they're all the same, I'll just have to take the trans out and redo it. At least I didn't get around to get the engine in. Do any of the vendors have the "real" washer? (That's what's known as a Belleville washer.)

If yours has the tab, then it's correct. However, you installed it backwards. I'd have serious anxiety wondering when it will decide to back out.

oleschool36ford · 10-22-2021, 08:33 PM

My U-joint capscrew has red loctite on the threads. My first 36 Ford which I did not build had the u-joint capscrew come out and wedged between the u-joint and housing while at a stoplight. Since I could not go forward, I backed up and the screw unwedged and I drove the car for a month before I fixed it. That is the car in pic at the left.

19Fordy · 10-22-2021, 09:33 PM

The OEM Bellville washer looks like this and also is installed with a lock washer.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295627

There's one on Ebay right now but i would contact the seller to confirm bolt size before buying to find out if it's the real deal as he doesn't show a lock washer and it's difficult to see if it is concave. Shipping seems a bit high but, the total price is what they seem to be selling for these days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/25445264726...3fc2%7Ciid%3A1

petehoovie · 10-22-2021, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Fordy

The OEM Bellvue washer looks like this and also is installed with a lock wasker.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295627

DavidG · 10-22-2021, 09:43 PM

The earlier version of the subject washer has no tab on it and I agree that in addition to the Belleville washer, a split lock washer was used as well.

Kube · 10-23-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

The earlier version of the subject washer has no tab on it and I agree that in addition to the Belleville washer, a split lock washer was used as well.

I did not realize there was a first generation washer even though I had witnessed both with / without the tab. I continue to learn. Thanks David.

I did know there was a split type lock washer involved...

Mart · 10-23-2021, 01:21 PM

If overtightened they can flatten or even cup the wrong way. The only ones I have seen have had no tab.
I have seen a modern replacement type that has a tab.

Mart.

DavidG · 10-23-2021, 01:36 PM

The dominant form of lock washer that I have encountered on originals was the 'shake-proof' with striations on both sides.

Kube · 10-23-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

The dominant form of lock washer that I have encountered on originals was the 'shake-proof' with striations on both sides.

Agreed Dave. I tend to not use old lock washers unless absolutely necessary. As you know, they do lose their "gripping" strength.

10-22-2021, 11:40 AM	#1
PeteVS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: FP, NJ Posts: 2,770	Universal retaining washer I'm putting things together. The bolt and washer that retain the universal to the transmission output shaft: Does the small tab on the washer face out to the bolt head or in towards the front half of the universal? Thanks! (This is a "39 trans.) __________________ Don't never get rid of nuthin!

10-22-2021, 03:06 PM	#4
Lawrie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Qld, Australia Posts: 4,210	Re: Universal retaining washer The small tab locks I into the spline on the engine side of the u/joint. to stop the washer from turning. Lawrie

10-22-2021, 05:06 PM	#5
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,919	Re: Universal retaining washer Would it be ok to install it using an impact wrench?

10-22-2021, 06:16 PM	#6
PeteVS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: FP, NJ Posts: 2,770	Re: Universal retaining washer Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thanks all. I was in a hurry so I put it in with the "tab" towards the bolt head. I don't see if my washer has a dome to it. I have at least one more. I'll double check and if they're all the same, I'll just have to take the trans out and redo it. At least I didn't get around to get the engine in. Do any of the vendors have the "real" washer? (That's what's known as a Belleville washer.) __________________ Don't never get rid of nuthin!

10-22-2021, 08:33 PM	#8
oleschool36ford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 722	Re: Universal retaining washer My U-joint capscrew has red loctite on the threads. My first 36 Ford which I did not build had the u-joint capscrew come out and wedged between the u-joint and housing while at a stoplight. Since I could not go forward, I backed up and the screw unwedged and I drove the car for a month before I fixed it. That is the car in pic at the left.

10-22-2021, 09:33 PM	#9
19Fordy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Coral Springs FL Posts: 10,919	Re: Universal retaining washer The OEM Bellville washer looks like this and also is installed with a lock washer. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295627 There's one on Ebay right now but i would contact the seller to confirm bolt size before buying to find out if it's the real deal as he doesn't show a lock washer and it's difficult to see if it is concave. Shipping seems a bit high but, the total price is what they seem to be selling for these days. https://www.ebay.com/itm/25445264726...3fc2%7Ciid%3A1 Last edited by 19Fordy; 10-22-2021 at 09:42 PM.

10-22-2021, 09:43 PM	#11
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,092	Re: Universal retaining washer The earlier version of the subject washer has no tab on it and I agree that in addition to the Belleville washer, a split lock washer was used as well.

10-23-2021, 01:21 PM	#13
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,743	Re: Universal retaining washer If overtightened they can flatten or even cup the wrong way. The only ones I have seen have had no tab. I have seen a modern replacement type that has a tab. Mart.

10-23-2021, 01:36 PM	#14
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,092	Re: Universal retaining washer The dominant form of lock washer that I have encountered on originals was the 'shake-proof' with striations on both sides.

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