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04-01-2021, 12:45 AM | #41 |
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Re: help with Model A market values
I agree 6k and 4k seems right on target
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04-02-2021, 12:33 AM | #42 | |
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04-02-2021, 06:34 AM | #43 |
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my offer stands- Ill take 20 cars at 3-4k
and then there were crickets.................. lol yes F1 that car is an anomaly |
04-02-2021, 06:41 AM | #44 | |
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Otherwise, they will be turned into a hot rod most likely. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. |
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04-02-2021, 08:04 AM | #45 |
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[QUOTE I know a lot of folks love them because they were cars they grew up with, but there is little interest in a stocker Model A except say a truck.
Otherwise, they will be turned into a hot rod most likely. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.][/QUOTE] But then they aren't the cars they grew up with... TOB |
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04-02-2021, 09:15 AM | #47 | |
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But then they aren't the cars they grew up with... TOB[/QUOTE] Talking about a stocker. Hot rods can be timeless when done tastefully. |
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04-02-2021, 09:42 AM | #48 |
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Talking about a stocker. Hot rods can be timeless when done tastefully.[/QUOTE]
Little interest in a stock Model A Ford? I must be missing something here. I will say that a good percentage of “Stock” Model A’s are not in the best overall condition. However, there are a lot of restored and also well maintained drivers that are in very good shape. At the real antique car shows, people love them. Especially the kids. I have had no problem selling a good car. If it’s a more rare body style, there is even more of a market. Not real expensive, parts are everywhere, easy to fix, the kids love them, what more could you want. Remember, it’s a hobby. |
04-02-2021, 09:53 AM | #49 | ||
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Actually, from my vantage point it is neither. Growing up with them from many of my customers means Dad or Grandpa had one when I was a kid and we used to be in parades or go get ice cream. I want one like that. These are people that are in their 40s - 60s. The issue I find with the 'hot rod' crowd, they buy these with big dreams, but their plans either fizzle due to cash flow or lack of commitment. Many do purchase an older restoration and modify it to be a hot rod though. As far as hobbyists selling due to downsizing and health issues, ...I have been involved in this hobby for well over 50 years and from what I can remember, and each generation has 'aged-out' using those same excuses. It has always been older people that purchased them however there has always been someone there to give fair market value for them in the sale. The exception has always been for the cars that are in worse condition now than what they were 10 years ago. On top of that, average prices on Model-As as a whole have always been worth more money in each subsequent decade during those 50 years. |
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04-02-2021, 10:15 AM | #50 | |
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Can't speak for everyone, but I have the purchase history for my coupe going back to 1990, and the guys who bought and sold it didn't make any money in real dollars. |
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04-02-2021, 10:51 AM | #51 |
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agreed Alex
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04-02-2021, 11:04 AM | #52 | |
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04-02-2021, 02:29 PM | #53 | |
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You need to couple in the cost of things. So while the value of money goes up by inflation, we have the cost of things going up beyond inflation. When you compare the total amount of money made to the total amount of goods you can buy that has decreased. The biggest threat to your pocket book is not taxes going up but costs of day to day things going up due to lack of competition. Consider the cost of buying a car vs average income from 1970 to today. In the 70=80's you could pay for college working 40 hours a week and have money to eat and such (14 hours of you 40 would pay for school). Today it take a little over 40 hours a week to pay for school so there is no money left over for housing or food. As for unrestored car values, they are always worth way more then they should. I mean really you should be considering the total cost of doing a restoration and ask if you can actually afford it. Just doing the chassis properly is well over $20,000. Yes I know because I kept track on my car. Keep in mind I have the tools and abilities to do it in house. Tack on more if you have to pay someone. The best value is always the 'restored' car. Often the restored car needs most of the mechanicals redone. It is still common to find cars that are presentable that have paint and interiors and some mechanicals done in the $10k to $15k range. You best value is to buy a car like that and slowly work the mechanics to 100%. That is your best fun to work ratio for the money. Remember the idea is to find that comfortable fun to money spent ratio. One final thought. It generally does not cost much more to restore a more desirable body style. So the up front extra cost for say a cabriolet may give you more payoff when you go to sell the car. |
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I agree that restoration services, being labor-intensive and difficult to automate, have increased in real-dollar prices over the last 50 years, but I don't agree that you can definitively say what effect this has had on the market value of the cars themselves. I think it's notable that the price of a "driver" car, i.e. a car that isn't rare or significant for its quality or originality, seems to track pretty closely with overall inflation, so I tend to think that the cost of services is not a strong influence on market pricing. |
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04-02-2021, 06:59 PM | #55 | |
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That would be me. I bought my '31 deluxe roadster for $16K...restored, but had engine knock, intermittent stalling, massive oil leakage, etc. I've put about 100 hours into it as a way to keep busy during this Covid era, and I've had fun doing it. I've got about $20K into it so far and I bet I top out at less than $21K. Based on current sales prices for that model, I don't think I'm going to lose money if I do sell it someday, but if I do, it would still be worth the experience. afterthefixes.jpg BTW, I'm one of the guys who bought an A because they were around while I was in high school during the early sixties. My best friend had a '29 truck (two wheels up while turning, LOL), another had a roadster, and yet another had a nice four-door. I had my parent's old '53 Plymouth, SMH... I just love the sound of an A engine...second only to a P&W 985 radial as music to my ears. Last edited by kawagumby; 04-02-2021 at 07:10 PM. |
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04-03-2021, 05:51 AM | #56 |
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again, well said Alex.
50 years is a pretty good span for gauging the values of model A's the model A today is still quite affordable, if you really want one and there is a price point for every budget. I would even argue that some of the rarer models are possibly more affordable today- with exception. regarding college- there are still some great degrees out there for peanuts, if you do your homework. SUNY is one of them and proudly my alma mater. |
04-03-2021, 09:55 AM | #57 |
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Roadsters still seem to be very popular especially the '30-'31's. And always will be the rodder's love the style too.
An acquaintence just bought a 'Shelby' F-150 and he told me he paid $105,000. Nice truck, but dude it's a TRUCK nothing more, that will be worth what $20K in 5 years IF your lucky If eating $85,000 to be noticed by people you don't even know is important to you, well what else can I say. Wow. In that regard bringing that back to this thread, spending $20,000 + for a very nice later Model A Roadster and then selling it in five years and getting most of your money back and probably even all of it... well it doesn't take Milton Friedman to see what was the better buy |
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