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JOHN CT · 11-10-2018, 09:11 AM

I have a stock 6 volt positive ground with Signal lights. Everything is working fine. I’m trying to install these led’s for a brighter lights. I’ve plugged them in and they didn’t work. What’s the secret. The instructions on the package states plug and play.

Jacksonlll · 11-10-2018, 09:42 AM

I put in six of them and they did plug and play. Try to light them up with a direct connection from battery. If they do work, it should be easy to fix.

mleder · 11-10-2018, 09:59 AM

Is it possible by error you received a set that was intended for 12 volts?

katy · 11-10-2018, 10:06 AM

Or a set that's negative ground?

JOHN CT · 11-10-2018, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacksonlll

I put in six of them and they did plug and play. Try to light them up with a direct connection from battery. If they do work, it should be easy to fix.

I just connected it to the battery directly and they work. Can it be the flasher ?
There’s a factory sticker on them for 6. Volt positive ground

Badpuppy · 11-10-2018, 10:27 AM

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Sticker on back says 6V Pos ground. If you mean signals don't work, you need an electronic flasher. LEDs don't work with a stock thermal flasher.

JOHN CT · 11-10-2018, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badpuppy

Sticker on back says 6V Pos ground. If you mean signals don't work, you need an electronic flasher. LEDs don't work with a stock thermal flasher.

That’s what I’m thinking. Do you know the part number for the electronic flasher?

Ed Wendell · 11-10-2018, 11:05 AM

John,
I installed a load resistor, Snyders #A-13464, on the L & R wires near the tail lights.
I used a Novita #LL535 flasher. Turn signals work great.
Check out those two items.
Ed

Badpuppy · 11-10-2018, 11:36 AM

https://www.brattons.com/6-volt-electronic-flasher.html

The load resistors work also, as Ed says.

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...53267000&ver=0

The LL535 is described as an electromechanical flasher, may be same as Bratton's. Load resistors are required only if you want to use the thermal flasher.

duke36 · 11-10-2018, 11:41 AM

Though I have 12 volt LED's, the electronic flasher didn't work; tried 2 of them. Went back to conventional 3 prong flasher with good results.

JOHN CT · 11-10-2018, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badpuppy

https://www.brattons.com/6-volt-electronic-flasher.html

The load resistors work also, as Ed says.

http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...53267000&ver=0

The LL535 is described as an electromechanical flasher, may be same as Bratton's. Load resistors are required only if you want to use the thermal flasher.

Perfect that’s the information I needed
Thanks

Patrick L. · 11-10-2018, 02:27 PM

I've been unable to get an electronic flasher to work on 6v. To use a standard thermo 535 just change the front turns to a higher Candle Power bulb.

The electronic flasher from Brattons is 2 prong and the Novita LL535 is 3 prong. I've not tried either of these flashers.

JOHN CT · 11-10-2018, 03:29 PM

I was just thinking.

Before I spend any money are the LED’S worth changing to? Are they much brighter then standard 6 volt blubs? So far I got the lenses for free

So far I have nothing into it.

duke36 · 11-10-2018, 04:15 PM

Yes; the 12 volts are especially bright when run with an alternator which keeps the battery up charged.
We have similar lenses in the photos but ours don't fit the teacup covers very well. May need a little grinding of the plastic.

emf · 11-10-2018, 08:44 PM

I'm still at 6 volt pos ground and converted to LED's . MUCH brighter. One caution. Mine blew out after about a week, so I returned them to United Pacific (the maker of most of the led's sold by the suppliers) for the warrantee. They informed me that it appeared, after they analyzed them that they failed due to a high voltage spike. They replaced them. I then theorized that there may be a bad ground for the generator, so I ran a wire from the generator case to the engine block to maintain a good ground. So far, after 3 years, no failure. Of course, this theory may be off base, but at least I can be assured of a good ground.

Frank

ryanheacox · 11-10-2018, 10:03 PM

Slightly off topic but has anyone tried drop in LED replacement bulbs?

CarlG · 11-10-2018, 11:07 PM

My friend has a 6 volt system, his LED tail lights are just as bright as are mine on 12 volts.

30 Closed Cab PU · 11-10-2018, 11:20 PM

My A is 6V positive ground, last year converted Tail and Stop lamps to drop in replacement LED. They seem 2- 3x brighter than original.

Have a late 30 CCPU.

Place I ordered from - cast about $52

Email or call them for selection help.
parts
STOP PART NUMBER http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/stop-lamp-bulbs-21w-shop.php
TAIL PART NUMBER http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/side-light-bulbs-shop.php

Ed Wendell · 11-11-2018, 12:33 AM

John,
You ask is it worth changing, YES. Last weekend the San Diego club took a 120 mile trip to the mountain community of Idyllwild, all of it on winding 2 lane roads. For part of the trip I followed a couple members with the original lights, they suck. You will be very happy you went to LED lights, and so will the folks behind you.
Ed

Patrick L. · 11-11-2018, 08:03 AM

I changed to the LED 6v rears a number of years ago. Huge difference in brightness. I was thinking from the first post that you already had the lights. As said, to get them flashing at a normal rate, the electronic flashers were only 12v at that time and would not work. To get them working normally with a standard 535 I installed higher CP bulbs in the fronts [ cowl and park] which of course makes them brighter also.

11-10-2018, 09:42 AM	#2
Jacksonlll Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Michigan-- Member of Oakleaf of MARC Posts: 1,686	Re: LED tail lights I put in six of them and they did plug and play. Try to light them up with a direct connection from battery. If they do work, it should be easy to fix.

11-10-2018, 09:59 AM	#3
mleder Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 178	Re: LED tail lights Is it possible by error you received a set that was intended for 12 volts?

11-10-2018, 10:06 AM	#4
katy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Red Deer, Alberta Posts: 5,042	Re: LED tail lights Or a set that's negative ground? __________________ If you don't hear a rumor by 10 AM, start one!. Got my education out behind the barn!

11-10-2018, 10:27 AM	#6
Badpuppy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Guthrie, OK Posts: 1,144	Re: LED tail lights Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Sticker on back says 6V Pos ground. If you mean signals don't work, you need an electronic flasher. LEDs don't work with a stock thermal flasher.

11-10-2018, 11:05 AM	#8
Ed Wendell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 149	Re: LED tail lights John, I installed a load resistor, Snyders #A-13464, on the L & R wires near the tail lights. I used a Novita #LL535 flasher. Turn signals work great. Check out those two items. Ed

11-10-2018, 11:36 AM	#9
Badpuppy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Guthrie, OK Posts: 1,144	Re: LED tail lights https://www.brattons.com/6-volt-electronic-flasher.html The load resistors work also, as Ed says. http://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBa...53267000&ver=0 The LL535 is described as an electromechanical flasher, may be same as Bratton's. Load resistors are required only if you want to use the thermal flasher. Last edited by Badpuppy; 11-10-2018 at 12:01 PM.

11-10-2018, 11:41 AM	#10
duke36 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,414	Re: LED tail lights Though I have 12 volt LED's, the electronic flasher didn't work; tried 2 of them. Went back to conventional 3 prong flasher with good results.

11-10-2018, 02:27 PM	#12
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: LED tail lights I've been unable to get an electronic flasher to work on 6v. To use a standard thermo 535 just change the front turns to a higher Candle Power bulb. The electronic flasher from Brattons is 2 prong and the Novita LL535 is 3 prong. I've not tried either of these flashers.

11-10-2018, 03:29 PM	#13
JOHN CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: In my garage Posts: 465	Re: LED tail lights I was just thinking. Before I spend any money are the LED’S worth changing to? Are they much brighter then standard 6 volt blubs? So far I got the lenses for free So far I have nothing into it. __________________ 31 Tudor 66 Bonneville 57 Chevy pickup 27 T roadster pick up

11-10-2018, 04:15 PM	#14
duke36 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,414	Re: LED tail lights Yes; the 12 volts are especially bright when run with an alternator which keeps the battery up charged. We have similar lenses in the photos but ours don't fit the teacup covers very well. May need a little grinding of the plastic.

11-10-2018, 08:44 PM	#15
emf Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Hudson, NY Posts: 511	Re: LED tail lights I'm still at 6 volt pos ground and converted to LED's . MUCH brighter. One caution. Mine blew out after about a week, so I returned them to United Pacific (the maker of most of the led's sold by the suppliers) for the warrantee. They informed me that it appeared, after they analyzed them that they failed due to a high voltage spike. They replaced them. I then theorized that there may be a bad ground for the generator, so I ran a wire from the generator case to the engine block to maintain a good ground. So far, after 3 years, no failure. Of course, this theory may be off base, but at least I can be assured of a good ground. Frank

11-10-2018, 10:03 PM	#16
ryanheacox Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Northwest CT Posts: 1,092	Re: LED tail lights Slightly off topic but has anyone tried drop in LED replacement bulbs?

11-10-2018, 11:07 PM	#17
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: LED tail lights My friend has a 6 volt system, his LED tail lights are just as bright as are mine on 12 volts. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

11-10-2018, 11:20 PM	#18
30 Closed Cab PU Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2,332	Re: LED tail lights My A is 6V positive ground, last year converted Tail and Stop lamps to drop in replacement LED. They seem 2- 3x brighter than original. Have a late 30 CCPU. Place I ordered from - cast about $52 Email or call them for selection help. parts STOP PART NUMBER http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/stop-lamp-bulbs-21w-shop.php TAIL PART NUMBER http://www.dynamoregulatorconversions.com/side-light-bulbs-shop.php Last edited by 30 Closed Cab PU; 11-10-2018 at 11:29 PM. Reason: Deleted incorrrect info

11-11-2018, 12:33 AM	#19
Ed Wendell Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 149	Re: LED tail lights John, You ask is it worth changing, YES. Last weekend the San Diego club took a 120 mile trip to the mountain community of Idyllwild, all of it on winding 2 lane roads. For part of the trip I followed a couple members with the original lights, they suck. You will be very happy you went to LED lights, and so will the folks behind you. Ed

11-11-2018, 08:03 AM	#20
Patrick L. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Largo Florida Posts: 7,225	Re: LED tail lights I changed to the LED 6v rears a number of years ago. Huge difference in brightness. I was thinking from the first post that you already had the lights. As said, to get them flashing at a normal rate, the electronic flashers were only 12v at that time and would not work. To get them working normally with a standard 535 I installed higher CP bulbs in the fronts [ cowl and park] which of course makes them brighter also.