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Blownflatheaddeuce · 05-19-2022, 04:46 AM

Good to see it was sorted by Clive and you're up and running !

I must be lucky with the modded crab with 12V Pertronix I put together 10 yrs ago. Still going strong !

No to hijack, I just buttoned up a buddy's 59A and he wanted an E Fire so will be looking to fire it soon but want to confirm the correct coil resistance.

Similar to Pertronix, the right coil is paramount as are spiral core wires and engine grounds etc. I've been advised the coil needs to be 1.5 Ohms without a ballast resistor or 3 Ohms if you run the ballast resistor.

Sound logical enough, can anyone confirm to be sure?

Tim Ayers · 05-19-2022, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Blownflatheaddeuce

Good to see it was sorted by Clive and you're up and running !

I must be lucky with the modded crab with 12V Pertronix I put together 10 yrs ago. Still going strong !

No to hijack, I just buttoned up a buddy's 59A and he wanted an E Fire so will be looking to fire it soon but want to confirm the correct coil resistance.

Similar to Pertronix, the right coil is paramount as are spiral core wires and engine grounds etc. I've been advised the coil needs to be 1.5 Ohms without a ballast resistor or 3 Ohms if you run the ballast resistor.

Sound logical enough, can anyone confirm to be sure?

Yes, that what I did with my Ignitor I, but I think it also depends on which version of the Pentronix unit you have. The directions are crystal clear as to what is needed.

Ol' Ron · 10-09-2022, 12:40 PM

My concern here is tuning. Without a vacuum signal, How can the ignition timing be controlled for loading conditions of the engine. Did I miss something
Gramps

my4dv8 · 10-09-2022, 09:23 PM

A little OT. But what is the consensus on the new mallory 42-48 dual point distributor? No electronics. Are these worth considering. Inquiring minds..

tubman · 10-09-2022, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by my4dv8

A little OT. But what is the consensus on the new mallory 42-48 dual point distributor? No electronics.

Since Mallory was bought out by Holley (via MSD) a long time ago, I don't think they are making anything new anymore.

More information, please.

Randy in ca · 10-10-2022, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tubman

Since Mallory was bought out by Holley (via MSD) a long time ago, I don't think they are making anything new anymore.

More information, please.

All of the current advertising sites them as having been re-introduced.

my4dv8 · 10-11-2022, 02:22 PM

Advertising is all well and good. But how do the perform out in the real world.

my4dv8 · 10-18-2022, 07:03 PM

Has any one had real time experience with the new Mallory twin point. New they are still listed.

tubman · 10-19-2022, 06:34 PM

I am addicted to the old ones, but I have heard that the new ones come with a Chevrolet timing curve that will give you a total advance at speed of around 36 degrees. Because of the combustion chamber design in a flathead, they only want something in the low to mid 20's, so the advance is all wrong (it comes in too late too, I believe). I seem to remember that they came with a plastic key that would allow the advance to be limited properly, so if it doesn't have one, it's probably a bad deal.

Other than that, all I can add is that new is usually not better these days.

I should add that I am talking 8BA post style distributors here. My knowledge on the earlier models is even more sparse.

FlatheadTed · 04-30-2023, 11:48 PM

From what I have observed they are supposedly a high performance unit ,that means higher spring pressure on the points = premature rubbing block ware not good for street use .

deuce lover · 05-01-2023, 02:08 AM

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richard crow · 05-01-2023, 06:37 AM

why do people buy that stuff when the original ford dist is a good reilable unit & trouble free.

hombres ruin · 05-01-2023, 01:02 PM

Original distributor re built by bubba .. never had a problem never looked back never needed an e fire .

rich b · 05-02-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by richard crow

why do people buy that stuff when the original ford dist is a good reilable unit & trouble free.

They have been brainwashed into believing points are unreliable, high-maintenance, and just generally evil. Or could be they just need the latest "shiny" thing.

cas3 · 05-02-2023, 11:41 PM

Agree with Rich b, and most folks think that "new" is better and I quite frankly believe the opposite !

Fritz · 05-03-2023, 10:27 AM

People use them because they get tired of trying bad coil after bad coil and bad condenser after bad condenser. And they don’t know the one person who hand-makes coils and the one person who hand-makes condensers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they make them. Just not everyone knows about them.

Why does H&H use these E-Fires?

Seth Swoboda · 05-03-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz

People use them because they get tired of trying bad coil after bad coil and bad condenser after bad condenser. And they don’t know the one person who hand-makes coils and the one person who hand-makes condensers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they make them. Just not everyone knows about them.

Why does H&H use these E-Fires?

Because it's fast and easy. They also use new crankshafts and rods. Less time machining parts. Faster turn around times for engine rebuilds. There is nothing wrong with this. H&H does a good job from what I've heard and seen. I enjoy their videos on Instagram.

Fritz · 05-03-2023, 02:25 PM

That certainly makes sense. I’m sure reliability and customer satisfaction is a reason too. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t hear people with those engines complaining about them not running. They must be doing something right with the electronic ignitions.

05-19-2022, 04:46 AM	#21
Blownflatheaddeuce Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep DEEP South Posts: 223	Re: Another E-Failure Good to see it was sorted by Clive and you're up and running ! I must be lucky with the modded crab with 12V Pertronix I put together 10 yrs ago. Still going strong ! No to hijack, I just buttoned up a buddy's 59A and he wanted an E Fire so will be looking to fire it soon but want to confirm the correct coil resistance. Similar to Pertronix, the right coil is paramount as are spiral core wires and engine grounds etc. I've been advised the coil needs to be 1.5 Ohms without a ballast resistor or 3 Ohms if you run the ballast resistor. Sound logical enough, can anyone confirm to be sure?

10-09-2022, 12:40 PM	#23
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,855	Re: Another E-Failure My concern here is tuning. Without a vacuum signal, How can the ignition timing be controlled for loading conditions of the engine. Did I miss something Gramps

10-09-2022, 09:23 PM	#24
my4dv8 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,111	Re: Another E-Failure A little OT. But what is the consensus on the new mallory 42-48 dual point distributor? No electronics. Are these worth considering. Inquiring minds.. Last edited by my4dv8; 10-11-2022 at 02:21 PM.

10-11-2022, 02:22 PM	#27
my4dv8 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,111	Re: Another E-Failure Advertising is all well and good. But how do the perform out in the real world.

10-18-2022, 07:03 PM	#28
my4dv8 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,111	Re: Another E-Failure Has any one had real time experience with the new Mallory twin point. New they are still listed.

10-19-2022, 06:34 PM	#29
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,303	Re: Another E-Failure I am addicted to the old ones, but I have heard that the new ones come with a Chevrolet timing curve that will give you a total advance at speed of around 36 degrees. Because of the combustion chamber design in a flathead, they only want something in the low to mid 20's, so the advance is all wrong (it comes in too late too, I believe). I seem to remember that they came with a plastic key that would allow the advance to be limited properly, so if it doesn't have one, it's probably a bad deal. Other than that, all I can add is that new is usually not better these days. I should add that I am talking 8BA post style distributors here. My knowledge on the earlier models is even more sparse.

04-30-2023, 11:48 PM	#30
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,700	Re: Another E-Failure From what I have observed they are supposedly a high performance unit ,that means higher spring pressure on the points = premature rubbing block ware not good for street use . __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters ,

05-01-2023, 02:08 AM	#31
deuce lover Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern France Posts: 5,301	Re: Another E-Failure ...

05-01-2023, 06:37 AM	#32
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,767	Re: Another E-Failure why do people buy that stuff when the original ford dist is a good reilable unit & trouble free.

05-01-2023, 01:02 PM	#33
hombres ruin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: san diego Posts: 518	Re: Another E-Failure Original distributor re built by bubba .. never had a problem never looked back never needed an e fire . __________________ "I have built my organisation on fear"..Al Capone.

05-02-2023, 11:41 PM	#35
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,567	Re: Another E-Failure Agree with Rich b, and most folks think that "new" is better and I quite frankly believe the opposite !

05-03-2023, 10:27 AM	#36
Fritz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: From Chicago. Now Nashville Posts: 206	Re: Another E-Failure People use them because they get tired of trying bad coil after bad coil and bad condenser after bad condenser. And they don’t know the one person who hand-makes coils and the one person who hand-makes condensers. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they make them. Just not everyone knows about them. Why does H&H use these E-Fires? __________________ Cars and metal rust away and are destroyed, but the Word of God will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35).

05-03-2023, 02:25 PM	#38
Fritz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: From Chicago. Now Nashville Posts: 206	Re: Another E-Failure That certainly makes sense. I’m sure reliability and customer satisfaction is a reason too. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t hear people with those engines complaining about them not running. They must be doing something right with the electronic ignitions. __________________ Cars and metal rust away and are destroyed, but the Word of God will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 24:35).