1929 CCPU with 1930 parts, Factory installed?

[Woody Willy]

I have a friend who purchased a CCPU in West Virginia recently that the widow who sold it said it was a 1930. The body however is a 1929. The date on the frame puts it as April 1930, however I thought the '29 was made until June of 1930. It has 1930 fenders and radiator splash aprons and the gas cap is a 1930 style, with 1929 running broads and splash aprons. The spare tire mount was a 1929 style bend forward to match the placement of the spare tire slot in the fender.The steering wheel and assembly are the 1930 type. The engine was replaced so I cannot verify dates. The layers of paint match on all parts. He has asked the widow to look for the title, but no luck so far. Has anyone out there have any comment as to whether or not the factory could have produced this combination or have a vehicle of similair gender? We all have heard that Henry Ford would not let the assembly line stop for parts, but!

[1931 flamingo]

I believe so as henry used up a lot of old parts on the trucks. Others will chime in I'm sure.
Paul in CT

[Steve Plucker]

Originally Posted by Woody Willy

I have a friend who purchased a CCPU in West Virginia recently that the widow who sold it said it was a 1930. The body however is a 1929. The date on the frame puts it as April 1930, however I thought the '29 was made until June of 1930. It has 1930 fenders and radiator splash aprons and the gas cap is a 1930 style, with 1929 running broads and splash aprons. The spare tire mount was a 1929 style bend forward to match the placement of the spare tire slot in the fender.The steering wheel and assembly are the 1930 type. The engine was replaced so I cannot verify dates. The layers of paint match on all parts. He has asked the widow to look for the title, but no luck so far. Has anyone out there have any comment as to whether or not the factory could have produced this combination or have a vehicle of similair gender? We all have heard that Henry Ford would not let the assembly line stop for parts, but!

The 28-29 Closed Cab body was used on all AA trucks and A light commercial vehicles up through about June of 1930 when the new body styles were introduced...and yes, you are correct that that body style was used through June of 1930.

However I can not see how the 1930 fenders, front I take it, could be adopted to the 1929 style running boards and splash aprons.

Am I not seeing something here?

Pluck

[Marco Tahtaras]

If you look at it closely I suspect you'll find it couldn't have been produced with those front fenders. Somebody would have either cut off the nose of the '29 running board aprons OR they actually installed '31 front fenders. Everything else you describe is correct for a late April/May 1930 Pickup.

[Purdy Swoft]

Here is a pic of uncle Albert, He is an april 1930 AA. This truck had the 30 style gas cap, 2 tooth steering with 30 style steering wheel, It also had the the 30 style commercial painted steel headlamps. I heard so much slack from the experts that had never owned a model A, telling me that it was actually a 29 with mis matched parts, That I changed the headlamps, steering column and gas tank, just to SHUT them up. I don't have to worry about it now, I sold the truck.

[Steve Plucker]

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Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

Here is a pic of uncle Albert, He is an april 1930 AA. This truck had the 30 style gas cap, 2 tooth steering with 30 style steering wheel, It also had the the 30 style commercial painted steel headlamps. I heard so much slack from the experts that had never owned a model A, telling me that it was actually a 29 with mis matched parts, That I changed the headlamps, steering column and gas tank, just to SHUT them up. I don't have to worry about it now, I sold the truck.

That is when you should of shut them up and proved your point!

Pluck

[Purdy Swoft]

I got the truck in 1990, There wasn't a lot of published information at that time. I kept the AA for 13 years, I later regretted selling it. Every where I go in any of my model A's, the parking lot or gas station experts allways seem to think that they know more about my model A's than I do.

[Jordan]

I know of a '29 truck that was built and registered as a 30. It has a 30 gas cap on the 29 cowl.

[silvertop]

This seems to be the same as the 30 Briggs Fordor I own. It was built in May 30 and has a 29 dash and instrument panel. I appears that they had an overrun of 29 parts and Henry being Henry wasn't about to scrap parts he could somehow use.

[Marco Tahtaras]

Originally Posted by silvertop

This seems to be the same as the 30 Briggs Fordor I own. It was built in May 30 and has a 29 dash and instrument panel. I appears that they had an overrun of 29 parts and Henry being Henry wasn't about to scrap parts he could somehow use.

Believe me, the timing was chosen. An "overrun" of 50,000 units would have been used up in about two weeks! They chose to incorporate the change in the tank and instrument panel in the latter part of June 1930.

Similarly, they made the change to the NEW commercial models at a chosen time which coincided with that gas tank change. The commercial models produced the first half of 1930 were NOT "1929 trucks sold in 1930". They were in fact 1930 models that were like the '29 models.

[Chris Haynes]

Originally Posted by Jordan

I know of a '29 truck that was built and registered as a 30. It has a 30 gas cap on the 29 cowl.

That is an Early 1930. It has all the 1930 running gear with the 1929 type sheet metal.

[2manycars]

The first time I encountered this was when I restored a 30 station wagon back in 1970. It looked like a 29, but had the quick twist gas cap. A lot of people (know it alls) had something to say about that.

[Stretch Cab]

My early 30 rdst. PU had the 30 gas tank and motor but other than that was 29. My dad and I restored it in the early 70's and had to write a letter to one of the Ford clubs to get a letter stating this was normal before we could get it judged at an AACA meet. Went on to win Senior awards but had to keep showing the letter which we still have. Letter also stated the truck didn't have to be green in color as that was another problem with the judges.

[Steve Plucker]

There is still so much controversy and unknown knowledge among those not familiar with the hobby and the changeover (29-30) about all of the parts that went into the 1930 production still posessing 1929 parts on the light commercial and AA Trucks (and cars using the 1929 instrument panel) that it is time someone do an indepth article on the subject for either Model A News or The Restorer.

But then again, there will still be the controversy!

Any takers?

Pluck

[Chris Haynes]

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[Woody Willy]

Thanks to everyone who inputed to this thread. I forgot about the fender differences in 1930 versus 1931 but not having been around back then who knew. Interesting thought though about someone writing an article about how Ford used many parts both before and after their time to keep the line going. I'll bet there are alot of stories out there to tell.

[wildwilly]

I too am finding mixed year parts on my early 30 45B. I have a 29 front bumper, an a late 29 engine. I believe that Henry was not wasteful, an used up most of his stock as new model year aproched. I would have to say the best part of my A is, the dual welled eyebrow fenders. I been told that the mixed years parts just give the car it's own look.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by wildwilly

I too am finding mixed year parts on my early 30 45B. I have a 29 front bumper, an a late 29 engine. I believe that Henry was not wasteful, an used up most of his stock as new model year aproched. I would have to say the best part of my A is, the dual welled eyebrow fenders. I been told that the mixed years parts just give the car it's own look.

Would it be possible to see a detailed picture or two of your fenders in the areas of these two arrows? This would greatly help me in some research I am doing.



(Apologies to Marco for marking on his picture! )

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