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Old 05-07-2021, 08:52 PM   #81
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Renner's Corner has a stock looking distributor cap that will accept "modern" style wire connectors rather than the brass strips.
Thanks! I will file that under Plan C after the Model T wires and insulating the spark rod.
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Old 05-07-2021, 09:21 PM   #82
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Fist time poster here but I want to share my experience with lionspeed heads, I've been involved with two engines with lionspeed heads, the first one is a lionspeed IV only drilled for one set of spark plugs and fsi distributor on my mums otherwise stock 28 sport coupe
I drove the car before and after the head and ignition, the differences were night and day, and for the better, I was only ever game to take it above 65mph once (it's my mums car and I didn't want to kill it just to find out what it would do) but at cruising speed and taking off the car was much nicer to drive, it also takes hills much easier than stock.
The other is one is a lionspeed III on a mildly hopped up banger I built for my otherwise stock 30 town sedan, the engine has a home made 4 into 1 header, repop burns intake, Stromberg 97, reground b cam, ported block, lightened flywheel and a few other bits and pieces

The engine is way healthier than the b that was previously in the car, the engine has enough guts to pull 65 with 4.11 gears (it could really do with some 3.78's or maybe even 3.54's because I don't want to turn it too hard). In summary I'm happy with both lionspeed heads on both engines

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Wow! Just think how much better that second engne would run without that cheap super restrictive air cleaner!
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Old 05-07-2021, 09:25 PM   #83
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Wow! Just think how much better that second engne would run without that cheap super restrictive air cleaner!
It does run better without it, but its all I have for now, to me a restrictive air cleaner is better than none
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:35 PM   #84
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I am sure that your cars drive amazing but the more I think about it the look is just a bit to modern for me. I know about the Snyder 5.5.1 and the 6.1 but does anyone else make a good stock looking high compression head?

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I am sure that your cars drive amazing but the more I think about it the look is just a bit to modern for me. I know about the Snyder 5.5.1 and the 6.1 but does anyone else make a good stock looking high compression head?

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Email Tod to find out what hes making these days.
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Email Tod to find out what hes making these days.
Forgive me for asking but Tod who? Is his contact info listed on Ford Barn?

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Here's his member page, you can send him an email. He makes the Snyder's heads and has been talking about doing stock heads in other CRs, so you should check with him to see what the status is on that.

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Here's his member page, you can send him an email. He makes the Snyder's heads and has been talking about doing stock heads in other CRs, so you should check with him to see what the status is on that.

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Thank you Sir....I just sent Tod an e-mail.
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Old 05-07-2021, 11:45 PM   #89
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I am sure that your cars drive amazing but the more I think about it the look is just a bit to modern for me. I know about the Snyder 5.5.1 and the 6.1 but does anyone else make a good stock looking high compression head?

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Tod Buttermore makes a 7:1 stock looking head, along with several others that don't look stock.
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Tod Buttermore makes a 7:1 stock looking head
Would that work on a stock engine or would I need to change the cab intake etc.? I am just looking for something to help the Mitchell I will be getting soon.

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Is Tod Buttermore the same Tod that makes the Snyder Head?
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Tod Buttermore makes a 7:1 stock looking head, along with several others that don't look stock.
How do you makea 7:1 head look stock? Don't the plugs need to be recessed?
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How do you makea 7:1 head look stock? Don't the plugs need to be recessed?
I think we may be using different definitions of "stock." There's stock in the sense of indistinguishable from the factory part, and then there's stock in the sense of the proper aesthetic, something that looks "normal." You could make a 7:1 head look right to the untrained eye.
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Something to think about on compression. Picture this: You and your buddy both have '30 coupes, and are driving side-by-side down the road. His is totally stock, yours has an 8:1 head, twin 97's, modern ignition, touring cam, etc. Under the above circumstances, both are obviously using the same amount of power, as the speed and wind resistance are the same. So ... the cylinder pressure is the same on both engines, ergo, the higher compression has no detrimental affect on the engine. The difference is you are getting better fuel mileage because your engine is more efficient. So the question is, why are Model A guys afraid of compression???
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Something to think about on compression. Picture this: You and your buddy both have '30 coupes, and are driving side-by-side down the road. His is totally stock, yours has an 8:1 head, twin 97's, modern ignition, touring cam, etc. Under the above circumstances, both are obviously using the same amount of power, as the speed and wind resistance are the same. So ... the cylinder pressure is the same on both engines, ergo, the higher compression has no detrimental affect on the engine. The difference is you are getting better fuel mileage because your engine is more efficient. So the question is, why are Model A guys afraid of compression???
I have a feeling that if someone has an unknown engine they may not want to increase compression. I was thinking about the 6 to 1 but I hope to talk to Tod about a 7 to 1 if he is making them.
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Haha. I hear you, Jim. Thanks for the follow up. It sounds like you offer a lot of items. I'll do some searches.
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