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10-29-2018, 01:22 PM | #1 |
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putting gasoline in your Model A
It seems that whenever I put gas in my car it's a fight with the nozzle to keep the spring loaded seal on the pump nozzle depressed so gas will flow.
I've thought about getting a filler neck out of a new car that would interface with the pump nozzle better, then I could use it more like a funnel to put the gas in. Anyone have other suggestions? |
10-29-2018, 02:16 PM | #2 |
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I lean on one elbow holding the nozzle and lightly squeeze the trigger. Too fast and the shut off kicks in. I takes practice.
The other day I did this and the nozzle fitting started leaking. Gas over the hood etc. NO fun. You could try a snow funnel |
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10-29-2018, 02:23 PM | #3 | |
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Incidentally, I believe the law against leaving the engine running while filling the tank dates from the Model A (and later Model T) days. |
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10-29-2018, 02:25 PM | #4 |
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Not sure what you are referencing. Does West Coast have an interlock on the nozzles to seal the nozzle so gas vapors get recycled ?
All we have here is the fill lever in the handle. |
10-29-2018, 02:33 PM | #5 |
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If I make a fist over the Model A gas inlet, then collapse the spring loaded device on the pump nozzle against my fist, the gas seems to go in fine. That's why I was thinking about building something out of a newer gas filler neck; which would act like a funnel and go into the Model A gas inlet.
I suppose, pulling the spark arrestor might allow the gas to go in better; which I might try. The problem with that would filling the tank to the top, as the nozzle would down further into the tank and shutting off. Then trying to top it off would put back to the initial problem. |
10-29-2018, 02:34 PM | #6 |
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Some guys use a piece of 2" PVC pipe for this purpose but the PVC insulates the nozzle from gounding to the car. Could get static electricity then BOOM... Last edited by Y-Blockhead; 10-29-2018 at 02:38 PM. Reason: Add verbiage |
10-29-2018, 02:36 PM | #7 |
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Yes! At least in Washington, the nozzles have this spring loaded device to seal the nozzle to the tank.
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10-29-2018, 02:36 PM | #8 |
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Re: putting gasoline in your Model A
That's the case in at least all the URBAN areas in the three western states. Other states may be the same. It may be the case in Wisconsin in the Milwaukee area, for example.
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But not here in Bellingham (Whatcom County)
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10-29-2018, 02:47 PM | #10 |
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Wow, Y-Blockhead, I didn't know there was something like this available.
Now I'll be spending over $30 for my 30/31 and another $30 for my 28/29 cars just to fill the tanks. I'll have to think about that a little. So I might go back to making my own. I suppose taking an old gas cap and welding a newer filler neck to it would accomplish the same thing. |
10-29-2018, 03:11 PM | #11 |
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My Spark Arrester (or as I thought it was called a filler screen - learn something new every day) is sitting in the bottom of my fuel tank. It got pushed through once when filling the tank.
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10-29-2018, 03:11 PM | #12 |
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Bought the neck extension and never looked back. $30.00 buys a lot of convenience.
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10-29-2018, 10:31 PM | #13 |
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Re: putting gasoline in your Model A
I bought the neck extender, wish it was a few inches taller though. I may have to pull the spark arrester. A club member said he made a fuel neck extension out of PVC.
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10-29-2018, 10:44 PM | #14 |
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PVC works for me. A friend gave me a "U" shape tool similar to a two tined cooking fork that will hold the Nozzle in the fill position no matter how it sits on the filler neck. I forget to use it most of the time as I grab the PVC fitting and just press the nozzle against it. No protection from a static spark, but 20 years and no problem. I think the static spark is about as apt to happen as a bird dropping a lighted ember on the neck while filling. May learn better tho.
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10-30-2018, 07:35 AM | #15 | |
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It may not be a problem in your area but in Inland Southern California we get very low humidity. I have ocassionally experienced static sparks just touching the gas nozzle. Luckily, I've never actually experienced static sparks while filling the tank. David Serrano |
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10-30-2018, 08:39 AM | #16 | |
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10-30-2018, 08:59 AM | #17 |
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I fill my gas cans at the station and bring them home and use a funnel. I have never had a problem that way.
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10-30-2018, 01:23 PM | #18 |
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Katy,
You live in Canada and don't have a snow funnel? It is a big mouth funnel with 2 fine screens in the throat to catch the snow while you are gassing up out side. Water is separated from the gas. They were commercially made |
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10-30-2018, 09:32 PM | #20 |
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I have a PVC fitting that a fellow club member told me about 13 years ago. Works absolutely great, keeps the nozzle off of the filling area. Have never, ever seen a spark, but I also don’t have that internal spark arrestor either.....but then, I have never heard of an actual issue with either....only fears.....
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10-31-2018, 02:48 AM | #21 |
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My red plastic gas containers with the yellow spouts all had a brass screen that would block water, but pass gas, until the ethanol crap gas ate up the brass.
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10-31-2018, 12:21 PM | #24 |
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In NJ it's no problem-- pull in, say fill it, or $ amount and you don't even have to get out of the car--- and it costs less than the other states --- after all self serve costs more, due to higher insurance, equipment maintenance
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10-31-2018, 12:36 PM | #25 |
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That's interesting, did not even know some states had not converted to self serve. I always thought self serve was cheaper. The only station here in my town that fills your tank for you charges more.
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A lot of times the gas station will have the u shaped plate to hold the spring nozzle back. They use it on motorcycles, which almost never have enough depth to compress the snorkel. |
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11-01-2018, 12:31 AM | #27 |
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In Oregon, it is against the law to pump your own gas. I'm use to Washington, where most places you pump your own gas, unless there is a full service (very rare) station available. So when I'm traveling in Oregon, the attendant usually has to take the nozzle away from me, to do his/her job. But they are usually at the door before you shut off the engine.
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11-01-2018, 02:25 AM | #28 |
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Y Blockhead (post 6 ) is correct.
Please let me contribute here. Static electricity. I know of a helicopter refuelling fire when the hose was passed across the bubble. Two blokes badly burned, helicopter destroyed. A second in 1979. Refuelling from drums to bulk truck tank. again in passing fuel hose. 92 drums exploded and one went through the back wall of an adjacent hangar. Aeroplanes pulled out. Very fortunately a local volunteer fireman was a part owner and had a key to open up. Don't park aeroplanes in hanger with breaks on, you could possibly loose them. Proper aeroplane fuel delivery hoses have a fine copper wire running the length and earthed at both ends. Plus a wire and clip from nozzle to attach to aeroplane, Plus an earth wire earthed to attach to aeroplane. I reckon it's okay to skip this one provided you are satisfied the fuel hose is approved, or earthed. Ensure the nozzle / earth is attached prior to opening fuel cap. If no earth wire ensure the nozzle handle touches aeroplane prior to opening the cap and ensure the nozzle is touching fuel tank whilst fuel is flowing. I had an incident once where static formed when a camloc fitting in the delivery was synthetic thus insulated. Fortunately I felt electricity through my body. Used jumper leads for the remainder of day to earth drum to aeroplane. I also saw pictures of a auto fuel station destroyed when a bloke held his plastic containers off the ground and filled them with fuel. It's easy to avoid but consequences can be severe if you don't.
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During my flying days I and my crew were assigned to a static display at an air show in. We flew m parked and set up. An F105 arrived and shot some practice landings. Alter the sow he found out that the base did not have his kind of fuel (JP-4). We were asked to do ground refueling. The base wanted to just attach the drogue to the fighter and pump gas!!
Not gonna happen. I had the base confirm the tie downs near by were in fact grounded(some were no). The we grounded each airplane to a ground spot and the two aircraft together. Then we unreeled the hose and hand plugged the drogue into the fighters' receptacle. I still don't have a beer for saving the fighter jock from a dumb-chit award. |
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After 20 years of operation, I had the same problem develop - keeping the gas flowing from the gas pump handle into the tank. I guess I could have bought a new screen as that clearly was the problem, but my grandpa owned several T's and A's and told me about several ways to deal with problems on those cars (it was 'always' a way that they 'saved money' back in those days). FIRST, remove the screen and try soaking it in a carb cleaning solution and then scrubbing and more cleaning.
(An old trick) - I eventually took the gas tank filler screen out and drilled a round pattern of multiple rows of 1/16 holes in it starting half way up from the bottom and working up. Solved the problem. Now I can set the pump handle on the slowest setting and leave it until it shuts off. The hole size and distance was just my 'best guess' equation. |
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Why don’t modern cars have spark arrestors?
Maybe the fuel hoses weren’t grounded as they are today. |
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Never had a problem here locally filling the tank with fuel. Not sure the difference on filling. My tank has the spark arrestor!
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11-04-2018, 03:40 AM | #34 |
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I just use a 5 gallon can and then the Tera Pump! Works great!
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11-04-2018, 03:48 AM | #35 |
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I've read several posts, where someone is putting their gas into a can, then pouring it into the car; which if you are on the road and away from home doesn't seem like the way that I'd like to go. I know everyone uses their cars differently, but I tend to drive mine a lot. This is why I started this thread, to see what others are doing to fill their cars at a gas station. Hopefully I didn't step on anyone's toes, that isn't what I was trying to do.
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I guess the problem is that different states have different regulations on gas nozzles! Here in Indiana, you just stick the nozzle in and pump your gas! It not rocket science!
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That's what I do. Just stick the nozzle about an inch in, then pull the handle for low flow, and it does fine with the original screen in place.
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