Question for carb experts

[Herman Munster]

My filter needs would most closely match the filter at the bottom of the chart
C3VY 9601-A except mine needs to be about 3.25" tall instead of 2.14" tall. No one lists a filter like that, not even my Ford Ready Reference manual which lists every filter from the 50's up to 1966.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

My filter needs would most closely match the filter at the bottom of the chart- C3VY 9601-A except mine needs to be about 3.25" tall instead of 2.14" tall.

No one lists a filter like that, not even my Ford Ready Reference manual which lists every filter from the 50's up to 1966.

... hmmpf...

So all dimensions seem close but the actual height?

C3VY 9601-A equates to 1963 LINC and was used by most ACL 58/ up (Service Replacement), but there are some specialty listing(s).

There is one filter that sizes @ 6.58" ID - 8.40" OD - 3.22" H.

Other than the height, do the other dimensions come close (or could you post what dimensions you came up with when measuring housing)?

If the ACL is EDSEL, it seems the same would be used on the 58 361/410 (later 59/60 332/352). But EDSEL cataloging was separate from both FORD and LM cataloging and I have neither LM or EDSEL cataloging (yet)..

BTW- The C3VY was later assigned an AUTOLITE short number FA-4 for anyone that needs that info.

Get back please as this topic has me interested in finding the correct element. What year READY-REFERENCE CATALOG do you have?

EDIT- ...another...

Look @ the MPC page below. See if either PN matches up.

[Herman Munster]

I have one from 1966. I bought it thinking that I would find the part number for the filter I need. Wrong.
The filter I think I need should probably be:
Top - 10.39" O.D., 7.28" I.D
Bottom - 9.78" O.D, 7.28" I.D
possibly 3.22" tall.

I'm stumped. It's a Ford product. It shouldn't be that hard to find.
I think it might be an AC A82C filter but I haven't found the dimensions for it.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

I have one from 1966. I bought it thinking that I would find the part number for the filter I need. Wrong.

Air cleaner design was changed on the 65 model run due to upcoming emissions compliance.

The filter I think I need should probably be:

Top - 10.39" O.D., 7.28" I.D
Bottom - 9.78" O.D, 7.28" I.D
possibly 3.22" tall.

I'm stumped. It's a Ford product. It shouldn't be that hard to find.

I think it might be an AC A82C filter but I haven't found the dimensions for it.

I am stumped also. All of your wanted dimensions comply with C3VY 9601-A except height. I even dug out a 1967 READY REFERENCE GUIDE thinking it could possibly be LIGHT TRUCK but nothing found (also MPC 60/64).

This guide had FORD - MERC - LINC - EDSEL and LT and nothing shows in that height, even PC or HP. The lowered height of the the cleaner and element was due to their lowering the hood height in 1958 and on.

FORD deletes inactive/discontinued PN's from text after so much time. Whatever you have is some odd-ball application.

[Herman Munster]

Maybe that's why I got it for such a "good" price. It was a restored air cleaner and I only paid $60 for it with shipping included.

[KULTULZ]

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Originally Posted by Herman Munster

Maybe that's why I got it for such a "good" price. It was a restored air cleaner and I only paid $60 for it with shipping included.

It is embarrassing... ... (for me) to not be able to find the element for that cleaner. It sure looks FORD.

Is there any chance of there being ID Stamping Nos anywhere on the assembly?

[Herman Munster]

I've looked and I haven't found anything other than "front".

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by 5851a

Did 57 have a heat control valve? I had a 58 with 332 and don't remember a heat control valve anywhere. May have been removed but it didn't have any extra cables or vacuum lines. Just assumed they controlled temp from 57 year forward on cars with a blend door in the heater box.

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Yes. That is what is being discussed here, the placement of the heater control valve and fitment of the 1957 FORD unique 4100 carburetor.

See the dia below. The actual control valve (18495 and 18502) was placed inside the heater core box for 1958. Notice the call-out on the description @ the bottom of the Ill, 57/58.

This opens another quandary, was the 57 4100 carb equipped YB's control valve moved into the heater control box?

The 312 8V intake had a separate outlet coolant supply cast into the intake.

Brain-Storm Update-

As I frequently drift in and out from the real world to my dream world ... ... I have time to think ...

There were two heater designs for the '57, not taking into account A/C, RECIRCULATING (base) and FRESH AIR ($$$ option). The '57 4100 equipped car must have had the FRESH AIR HTR standard with the control valve in the HTR box. The HOLLEY and CARTER equipped engines could be ordered with either HTR, the RECIRC HTR still using the valve on the intake manifold..

If you are going to use the 57 4100 and cannot adapt to the later 4100 style accelerator pump asm on your ECZ-B intake on your '56, maybe plumb the HTR control valve onto the WP inlet and use the elbow on the intake to the HTR. This was the design in 1955.

EDIT-

WRONG!

I have since come to realize there were two heater styles in 1955/56 as there were in 1957/58. One style had the heater control valve on the intake, the other at the firewall.

The 1957 4100 had to be mounted on a 57 car with the fresh air heater as the control valve(s) were in the heater box. So to retrofit a 57 4100/ECZ-B carb/intake comb on a 1956, one would have to have the fresh air heater or one would have to install an inline control valve in the inlet heater hose.

While the placement of the control valve from the intake to the WP would stop the hot coolant flow, heat convection from the intake to the heater would heat the heater core somewhat making the cabin unpleasant in the summer.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

I've looked and I haven't found anything other than "front".

Best (IMO) to keep this info all together for others that may run into the same problem(s) and need the info...

THREAD CONTINUATION HERE-

- https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234845

[Herman Munster]

Yes, I started a new thread about the filter so that discussion can continue there.

I had threaded the heater controller into the water pump but in the spot that there was a threaded plug on the drivers side of the pump. It seemed to have worked and the heater hose was long enough. It just looks odd like that.

[Smoke.eater]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

...hmmph...

The 57 4100 was a one year design (HOLLEY) (elongated accelerator pump and divorced choke housing).

I wonder if the 4100 292/312 had a remote mounted heater control valve?

Can you show a photo of your air cleaner asm? I would think it would be the same for the 4100-4150-AFB equipped engines.

My heater control valve is on the inside of the firewall,on top of the heater box.


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[Herman Munster]

Here's how I relocated the valve on the water pump.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

Here's how I relocated the valve on the water pump.

That isn't going to work. The hose the valve is attached to presently has to connect to an outlet fitting (sans valve) (hot coolant) on the intake manifold coolant cross-over (behind thermostat) to the heater core.

The return (outlet) goes from the heater core to the WP inlet fitting. You will move the valve to this inlet.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Smoke.eater

My heater control valve is on the inside of the firewall,on top of the heater box.

You have the optional Fresh Air Heater. What carb do you have?

[Herman Munster]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

That isn't going to work. The hose the valve is attached to presently has to connect to an outlet fitting (sans valve) (hot coolant) on the intake manifold coolant cross-over (behind thermostat) to the heater core.

The return (outlet) goes from the heater core to the WP inlet fitting. You will move the valve to this inlet.

So it sounds if I want it to work I would have to move the valve to the other side of the water pump, the spot with the elbow.

[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Herman Munster

So it sounds if I want it to work I would have to move the valve to the other side of the water pump, the spot with the elbow.

Correct. You are just changing the position of the valve from the outlet to the inlet side of the system.

The photo below is a 1955 272. In place of the valve on the intake is a ninety degree fitting (hot coolant supply) and the valve itself is placed on the WP in place of the fitting (coolant return).

That's the only way I know to do it with your carb selection and recirculating heater with an external heat control valve, other than a llater model inline valve.

Did you start to modify the accelerator pump or go this route?

[Smoke.eater]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

You have the optional Fresh Air Heater. What carb do you have?

The teapot is off,now it has a later model 2 bbl motorcraft


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[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Smoke.eater

The teapot is off,now it has a later model 2 bbl motorcraft

Let me understand correctly...

You have a '57 FORD that came through with a H-4000 (teapot)? What engine?

I am trying to verify something. I had a '57 Club Victoria with a 312/FOM that had the H-4000 on it. It looked to me as OEM (no obvious signs of butchering) I cannot find my SHOP MANUAL to verify.

Just wondering ...

[Smoke.eater]

Originally Posted by KULTULZ

Let me understand correctly...

You have a '57 FORD that came through with a H-4000 (teapot)? What engine?

I am trying to verify something. I had a '57 Club Victoria with a 312/FOM that had the H-4000 on it. It looked to me as OEM (no obvious signs of butchering) I cannot find my SHOP MANUAL to verify.

Just wondering ...

My apologies I have the flu and may have missed that with my grogginess, I have a 56 fairlane 292. But I have not been able to find any useful information or pictures with my particular set up, they all have it on the intake


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[KULTULZ]

Originally Posted by Smoke.eater

My apologies I have the flu and may have missed that with my grogginess, I have a 56 fairlane 292. But I have not been able to find any useful information or pictures with my particular set up, they all have it on the intake.

Hey, you're OK. Don't worry about it. You say '56 so my question doesn't apply.

Go back to bed...