Paul Shinns block adventure

[lotsagas4u]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqNC5w185JY&t=7s

[Phil Brown]

I think that you're supposed to check a crankshaft on V- blocks not "between centers"
Seems odd that after hearing so much good about this new motor that this pops up

[BrianH]

Have you contacted Terry Burtz for his opinion?

[Terry Burtz, Calif]

Originally Posted by Phil Brown

I think that you're supposed to check a crankshaft on V- blocks not "between centers"
Seems odd that after hearing so much good about this new motor that this pops up

Phil, You are correct.



We have not heard of these problems that Paul Shinn has.

If any of these problems are real, I'm sure that they would have been posted on Facebook, FordBarn, and other Ford forums.

The factory that makes the cylinder blocks has a capacity of 10,000 cylinder blocks per month and is fully automated.

If Paul had a problem, I wonder why he did not contact us because our parts are warranted to be free of defects.

I question Willie Baechler's qualifications when he complains about the dowel pins in the main caps and that the main caps cannot be shifted sideways.

I also wonder if the empty case of Corona beer in the video is a factor in the measurements.

John Lampl, our QA and Manufacturing Manager will be responding here on FordBarn to Paul Shinn's concerns.

[larrys40]

I hesitated in responding but these kind of things are sadly part of our electronic world of online information even in our small world of Model A’s. We all work hard to do good and have a good reputation at what we do.

Glad to see terry responded because there was no indication that Paul Shinn had contacted terry or John Lampe to address the issue. There are engines out there running with a good number of miles on them not to mention all the initial work Mr Burtz has done in testing and all before things got officially launched. Issues like this shouldn’t be aired on social media but sadly they are at times. That’s what happens when guys get a little too comfortable in social media. I’ve always respected Paul for his video talent and decent advise ( which a number of us give and also do on here) but this was not the way to handle it.

Hopefully things can get addressed properly and resolved. I don’t know Terry Burtz but have one of his new blocks not yet built up for my Riley 2 port and another in the works . I’m confident in his product from the other schooled folks I know around the country and am glad guys like him have invested their money and time for the betterment of the hobby and Model A world. Without them we wouldn’t be where we are with our cars.

Throwing numbers out to fix whatever they stated is somewhat reckles without addressing things with Mr Burtz and crew.
Thanks Paul for you videos but this one needs a pause and assessment going forward.
Happy Model A motoring

Larry

[daveymc29]

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This is an old shop in the foothills of California, along the level of the mining for gold and is well known and respected in their area. That said. I cannot believe they would allow their good name to be used in this way unless they had gone to Mr. Burtz first and been told to go to blazes. The beer may be a factor, the age of the machinery and how it is maintained may also come into play. Telling to me, is that this pops up now, after so many good reports of folks I know and trust and without any advance contact with Burtz and his organization. This is all new stuff, and if it running ary, they need the courtesy of a call or with the serious accusations and implications being made here, I would think a personal face to face would have been in order. None of us want to buy a block that is either unfixable or overly expensive. Terry has put his heart a soul into this and I think it behooves us to support him in any way we can, sharpshooting from afar seems to me to not be very constructive for any of us. If a problem exists, I'm sure Terry wants to know all he can so as to improve his product.
Dave Mc Arthur, Can't we all just get along?

[P.S.]

Hello, and thank you for commenting.

First off, I do not drink, and certainly do not drink beer. That was a box of parts a customer dropped off. The suggestion that a case of beer was a factor in the measurements is offensive. Maybe even a tad slanderous.

Terry- You and I spoke several times, and I interviewed you in Kerrville, and sang the praises of the project. Video is here- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gZ18mFHVko

In fact, I came to your rescue when you were catching flak for having the blocks cast overseas. I went out of my way to paint you and your project in a positive light.

The video posted today was not a jab at you, the engines, nothing. It is just a real life experience where I show a problem and how I'm going to work through it with the help of a well respected machinist who runs a highly respected shop.

For the record, John Lampl is well aware of the situation not just with my blocks but also 6 of the 11 blocks the Lodi guys ordered. Out of the 11 kits, only a couple of those engines are currently running. John has been in touch with their machinist and is replacing 6 blocks and 2 cranks for them.

If this video causes people here to lose respect for me, then so be it. I'm not going to pretend problems don't exist. I have been open and real with everyone about everything, including my own health. I don't gloss over anything.

So if you or someone else takes today's video personally, that's entirely on you. To be honest, I think if you came on here and said you saw the video and were going to reach out to me and offer to replace the defective parts, that would have gotten you a LOT farther than accusing me of being a drunk.

I don't think this matter is a big deal, just another opportunity to work through a problem. You and I are both engineers, so I know how much you appreciate the same thing. If you would rather replace the parts than have me work through the problems, that is fine. However, I didn't bother you with this because I didn't consider it your problem. I planned to pay Willie to fix the problems out of my pocket and leave you alone. How do you prefer I move forward?

Since this has become such a public discussion, please respond here so everyone can see what we are made of, and show that we are still friends.

Thank you,
Paul

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by BrianH

Have you contacted Terry Burtz for his opinion?

See response above.

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by daveymc29

This is an old shop in the foothills of California, along the level of the mining for gold and is well known and respected in their area. That said. I cannot believe they would allow their good name to be used in this way unless they had gone to Mr. Burtz first and been told to go to blazes. The beer may be a factor, the age of the machinery and how it is maintained may also come into play. Telling to me, is that this pops up now, after so many good reports of folks I know and trust and without any advance contact with Burtz and his organization. This is all new stuff, and if it running ary, they need the courtesy of a call or with the serious accusations and implications being made here, I would think a personal face to face would have been in order. None of us want to buy a block that is either unfixable or overly expensive. Terry has put his heart a soul into this and I think it behooves us to support him in any way we can, sharpshooting from afar seems to me to not be very constructive for any of us. If a problem exists, I'm sure Terry wants to know all he can so as to improve his product.
Dave Mc Arthur, Can't we all just get along?

Dave,

You know me personally. And, you know better than this. My video was not critical of Terry, John, anyone. Just showed some problems and how we are going to work through them. You know I am an honest reporter. Nothing else. Why did you assume I was attacking Terry?

[rotorwrench]

One thing I've noticed about Mr. Shinns videos is that they tend to always leave me with unanswered questions that I was seeking for some of the projects at hand. I like a video that makes good sense in it's execution and answers the questions I had going in. I want to know how to do it right the first time.

I also dislike it when potential problems are pointed out without first giving the manufacturer or supplier any consultation or opportunity to make potentially problematic things right. We all know that there can be production problems with new products and parts so it's important to give those affected a heads up notice and let them respond before passing judgement on to the world at large. I'd sure rather hear about a product I supplied straight from the customer first instead of hearing about it on social media platforms. There is no fairness in that.

I would hope that fairness will be respected and that folks will insure quality control to the best of their ability in the future.

[jack backer]

Such a long worded defense speaks for itself, the video does too..basically a camera and an internet connection is a dangerous thing..

Merely look at the two subject, one is applying sound engineering to provide the hobby with a product, The other extracts from the hobby to feed his ego..

[wwirz]

My suggestion would be to send the questionable parts back to Terry for correlation in measurements.in fact,I would send all the parts to Terry for measurement. Something is amiss here and needs to be sorted out by the supplier. Until this is done, this remains an open issue.

[mhsprecher]

I respect both Paul and Terry. To me the biggest issue is that Paul didn't contact Terry or John about what he found. I know that these discussions can be difficult, but in my view, that would have been the appropriate way to handle this before posting that video. I think Terry is right to be miffed as it appears that he was blindsided by this.

Terry has put a lot of effort and expense into his blocks and the hobby has benefitted greatly from all the work he has done. Paul has benefitted the hobby with his informative and entertaining videos. I hope we all keep an open mind about this and keep the negative comments to a minimum. I want to buy one of the blocks and will have a conversation with John before I place an order to understand the situation better.

[Aretino]

Interested in learning if Paul has contacted Terry.

[Dino's A]

I'm sure Terry will handle this, straighten it out, and solve any
issues going forward. If I may be so bold, is to maybe have the motors re checked
before delivery to a customer? Just to make sure.

[alexiskai]

Originally Posted by Dino's A

I'm sure Terry will handle this, straighten it out, and solve any
issues going forward. If I may be so bold, is to maybe have the motors re checked
before delivery to a customer? Just to make sure.

I believe the motors are crated at the factory, loaded into shipping containers, sent across the Pacific, unloaded, and then the crates are shipped, unopened, as freight to their destinations.

QC is supposed to happen before they leave the factory, not halfway through the delivery process. That's how all products are handled. My company buys and resells network infrastructure equipment, and we do not unbox and plug in the routers to make sure they work; neither does our distributor. The customer is supposed to invoke warranty coverage if a problem is discovered.

Several people have pointed out the importance of uncrating these shipments immediately upon receipt. (I have no opinion on whether that occurred in this case.) Checking part integrity, and removing packaging to assess for damage, is good practice.

[P.S.]

OK, took the video down. The video where I am supporting Terry (that everyone seems to have missed) from June remains up.

I just want to wash my hands of this whole experience. Anyone want to buy a couple Burtz block kits?

[JKY]

Well this went south pretty quickly. I don't come here often, except to see what stangeness gets posted by a Canadian entrepreneur with a two car museum. But this caught my eye.

I saw Paul Shinn's video. I was left wondering if 1) this is an isolated issue and 2) if the measurements were being interpreted correctly. But this quickly became a Paul Shinn bash fest. This seems to be very common on this forum with more people than Shinn.

Let me ask one question: What have any of you (except alexiskai) done to promote the Model A hobby?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by P.S.

If you read this far, thank you. I suspect very few will, and will continue to slam me without knowing anything about the situation.

Paul, your honesty and integrity should be the utmost priority for you whether you continue to be a content creator, -or just another hobbyist in the club. It appears you have sincerely tried to do this, -and I applaud, and support you in your endeavors. I have learned the truth generally does reveal itself given enough time however it has been said that People will only believe what seems believable to them. and in these threads, that is what we are seeing. In a similar situation with Terry, I have also found myself engaged in a disagreement of opinion that I honestly had no desire to ever be in, ...and as a result I also felt I was unfairly judged by Terry and others.

I think you are on the right track of being truly honest in your reporting (-no matter the findings), and by showing a solution and potential correction method(s) to take what Terry has achieved, and potentially make it better, this is a good thing. As an engine machinist myself, we are also interested in performance and motorsports with modern engines. Many people reading this likely do not realize that much of what Mr. Baechler found is not uncommon with O.E. engine blocks (i.e.: performance crate engines), ...and even aftermarket performance blocks and heads manufactured by companies such as Dart, Brodix, et/al. In today's world, as a remedy there are companies that manufacture specialized tooling for engine machine shops to use as jigs to correct these deficiencies and this create even better performance from that engine. One such company is BHJ Products, and similarly many shops have CNC machining centers that have the ability to correct these shortcomings. There is no shame in this from my perspective from yours nor Terry's product. From my perspective in this, my hope is you and Terry can both realize that working as a 'team', you likely will accomplish WAY more for the hobby by working together as a manufacturer and a content provider to find solutions rather than seemingly having to continually tender defensive responses. Again, I applaud you both for your accomplishments.

[jack backer]

How much ? Did you install the crank and torque the main caps? If the crank turns with the caps torqued I’ll make you an offer..

[daveymc29]

I am sorry this ever got to this site. It should have been taken care of face to face. Yes I do know you Paul, but just barely. I know the shop you shot the film in and know it is old and respected. Doesn't matter to us on the viewing end as all we see is what comes through to us. To me it came as a ha ha dig at Terry's endeavour, nothing else. To others perhaps it came off as a valuable bit of information. I appologize for having responded, should have minded my own business, but then I just couldn't let it slide as this type of comment has a way of totally stopping a business in its tracks and they may never recover from it. If I misjudged your point, I am sorry, and this will be my last comment on the subject.
Dave Mc Arthur

[4bangerbob]

seems the video has been reclassified on YouTube to private. Wonder why ?????

[JKY]

Originally Posted by 4bangerbob

seems the video has been reclassified on YouTube to private. Wonder why ?????

Paul wrote: OK, took the video down. The video where I am supporting Terry (that everyone seems to have missed) from June remains up.

[The Master Cylinder]

Originally Posted by P.S.

OK, took the video down. The video where I am supporting Terry (that everyone seems to have missed) from June remains up.

I just want to wash my hands of this whole experience. Anyone want to buy a couple Burtz block kits?

Paul, sorry to see you took the video down. I watched it a few times yesterday and was taking notes of what I should be watching for if I order one in the future. A lot of good info there.

I honestly think this thread should be removed also.

Keep up the good work on the videos.

[CWPASADENA]

Paul,

I do not know you and have never met you, but I have heard of your involvement in the Model A hobby and have heard you have produced a lot of videos with good information relating to our hobby. I did see your recent video and also posted a response.

I have completed several Burtz engines and am currently working on No. 7. I have found a few very minor issues but nothing that I could not easily rectified. I have conveyed my findings to Terry Burtz who passed them on to John Lampi and I do know the later produced blocks seem to have far fewer minor issues than some of the earlier ones. This is a very complicated item and especially having it manufactured in another country, I would expect to find a few things that need to be addressed.

As a Mechanical Engineer, machinist and custom engine builder, I do not recommend checking the concentricity of crankshaft ground surfaces in the manner that was shown in the video. I use "V" bocks and a surface plate which is the accepted method when dealing with such components. I think this is what got a lot of us all riled up. In my opinion, your video came off as the Burtz engine kit was something to be weary of and it may need a lot of expensive re-work before it would be usable.

Is the Burtz engine kit perfect? No, but it is pretty darn good and allows a new dimension to our hobby. Up to now, we were having to deal with components that were 90+ years old. We now have the option of not only being able to build an engine for our Model A's using new components but also components that are engineered to take advantage of modern engine design.

Is a Bertz engine necessary for all Model A's? No, actually, I do not have a Burtz engine in any of my 3 Model A's. The one I use for touring, has a "B" engine with Mitchell Transmission and Mitchell O.D. This car was restored about 14 years ago and the B engine has served me very well but if I was to restore the car today, I would definitely consider a Burtz engine. I also have a Fine Point '31 Roadster with an original engine and a Vickey that I use as an "Around the town car" and it also has an original engine that does everything I want it to do. However, for touring or if restoring a Model A today for long term ownership that will get a lot of usage, I would strongly recommend considering a Burtz Engine.

I just wish you would have first contacted Terry before you posted the video.

Again, this is just my opinion,

Chris Wickersham

[JRLampl]

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Hi Paul,

I am glad you took a few minutes to post a response to the reactions from your YouTube video.

As you may know, we honor our products and if a customer is dissatisfied for any reason, we don't hesitate to replace or refund the purchase. That is our policy. I was surprised that you would post your video without first contacting us and letting us know there is a problem.

This aside, one comment in your post that should be corrected. You said I am aware of 6 blocks that all have defective issues. To clarify, I am aware that your machinist said there are 6 blocks that are out of spec. We have not yet seen these blocks and until we do, we won't accept this determination from an outside source. If our examination proves that these blocks have an issue, we will stand by our guarantee. If we determine the machining is within tolerance, then we have something else to deal with. So, check your statement that I am "well aware..".

With regards to your block kit, I suggest that, rather than pay Willie to fix it, let me replace that or even refund it if you like. For reasons relating to quality assurance, I would like to see that block. Let me know.

I would like to point out for the sake of the readers here, that we have several builders across the USA who have collectively built MANY DOZENS of our blocks and we have had ZERO complaints regarding the machining quality. This is why I am curious to see these several blocks you are referring to.

Thanks,
John

[History]

I shouldn’t and I know it BUT,,,, I believe this can be settled if everyone can keep their egos in check. I say that knowing I have an ego myself and understand that egos like to WIN!! I don’t think Paul was trying cause problems for Mr Burtz or anyone here. I’ve watched lots of his videos and appreciate them, I also appreciate mr Burtz for making these blocks as we surely need them. We all make mistakes but as I told my father in law after realizing that I had pissed him off, I didn’t do it knowing I was doing the wrong thing or my real words to him, “I didn’t do it saying screw him”. Intent is the key and I don’t think Paul “intended” to cause problems for Mr Burtz. Could it have been handled better? Yes probably so. Is Paul right about everything??? Is Mr Burtz right about everything? Nobody here is always right with the exception of me. 😉

This doesn’t have to fall apart and enemies made that weren’t enemies yesterday.
I’m not usually the voice of reason, I’m usually the guy doing stupid stuff and not meaning to.

[shew01]

Well said. I don’t want to see this devolve into the Hatfields and McCoys. We definitely need the new block, and we definitely need informational videos. Nothing is perfect, and the hobby will be better off if we can move forward from here without any more escalation of grievances.


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[P.S.]

Originally Posted by JRLampl

Hi Paul,

I am glad you took a few minutes to post a response to the reactions from your YouTube video.

As you may know, we honor our products and if a customer is dissatisfied for any reason, we don't hesitate to replace or refund the purchase. That is our policy. I was surprised that you would post your video without first contacting us and letting us know there is a problem.

This aside, one comment in your post that should be corrected. You said I am aware of 6 blocks that all have defective issues. To clarify, I am aware that your machinist said there are 6 blocks that are out of spec. We have not yet seen these blocks and until we do, we won't accept this determination from an outside source. If our examination proves that these blocks have an issue, we will stand by our guarantee. If we determine the machining is within tolerance, then we have something else to deal with. So, check your statement that I am "well aware..".

With regards to your block kit, I suggest that, rather than pay Willie to fix it, let me replace that or even refund it if you like. For reasons relating to quality assurance, I would like to see that block. Let me know.

I would like to point out for the sake of the readers here, that we have several builders across the USA who have collectively built MANY DOZENS of our blocks and we have had ZERO complaints regarding the machining quality. This is why I am curious to see these several blocks you are referring to.

Thanks,
John

Hi John,

So noted. Thank you for the correction.

I never, ever intended to "hurt" Terry or you. I thought I made it clear that I was determined to correct the problems myself, on my dime, and see the project through. I mentioned it to Terry at Kerrville, but we were all very busy. In fact, you may recall that I was one of your biggest fans. In the interview I did with Terry, I provided him an opportunity to dispel the negative press. I have been one of your biggest champions. The recent video was me sharing progress of the project.

With all that said, I have a serious bad taste for this project now. If you're willing to refund, I will gladly ship everything back to you. Considering how much hate I have received on the forums, emails, and comments this weekend, I'm seriously reconsidering my commitment to Model A people.

I will get everything crated up and ready to go ASAP. Please tell Terry I'm sorry, but he owes me an apology for calling me a drunk. That was beneath him.

The video is deleted. I regret even mentioning that I was building Burtz engines. It won't happen again.

Kindest regards,
Paul

[JRLampl]

Hi Paul,

I am happy to refund you if that is your preference. Just a note, if a block has any kind of an issue, we need to see that for our own quality assesment. We want it back so it can be further examined. If there is a problem with a customer's block kit, we want to make it right and either replace or refund, which ever the preference. I will get with you off the forum to arrange this.

I don't think Terry ever implied anything about you being a "drunk". The way I read his comment was that who ever was doing the measurements maybe was having a beer.. I saw it as a light joke and not directed at you.

Don't let this episode diminish your obvious enthusiasm for the Model A community. Keep up your work for the good of all.

Thanks,
John

[nkaminar]

Please support Paul Shinns. Besides his videos being entertaining and well done, they are educational and have helped many Model A owners over the years. Either use this forum or email him. Perhaps another thread to show support?

This has been an unfortunate public fight brought on by some major misunderstanding. But it should not result in Paul taking his ball and going home.

[wwirz]

Let's put all this behind us for the good of our job u
We need the Burtz blocks and engines. We need more Paul Shinn videos. The hobby needs Terry and Paul.,.. everyone agree?

[wwirz]

Sorry,...meant to say for the good of our hobby not "job". Doggone cell phone typing ��

[Conaway2]

Terry and Paul - you’ve both made significant contributions to our enjoyment and preservation of Model A Fords; I hope this will continue.

I’ve owned four Model A’s in the past 55+ years, and believe the availability of technical resources, parts and now new engines is better today than it has been since the 1930’s - thanks in part to contributions from both of you.

As President of the Low Country Model A Ford Club in Charleston, South Carolina, I write monthly articles for our Quail Mail newsletter, which is published on both our website (https://www.lowcountrymodela.org/ ) and Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/lowcountrymodelafordclub). My February 2022 article introduced the new Burtz engine to our club members, and my September 2022 article similarly introduces Paul Shinn’s videos. (The September issue of Quail Mail will be uploaded to both sites in the next few days; in the meantime, I’ll be happy to send a pdf copy of my September article to anyone who is interested.)

I sincerely hope there is constructive resolution to the current disagreement. As an almost 70-year-old Model A owner, I want to see continued availability of the new Burtz engine, as well as new videos from Paul Shinn.

Jim Conaway
President, LCMAFC

[BrianH]

Paul, don't give up! Your valuable information is much appreciated. I have enjoyed watching your videos as well as Model T's. Also, don't give up on your Burtz engines. I bet if you measure those crankshafts with the v-block method you will find them to be within spec's. Thank you for all you do for the Model A community.
Brian H

[Bob Bidonde]

I saw the video too, but I am not so certain that the opinions about the consequences of eccentricities are as bad as reported to be. Everything has a tolerance. A human hair is 0.002" to 0.007" in diameter. What are the allowable deviations, and are they within Terry's design allowances?

[amclass]

People. Keep in mind: Most Model A's die with their owners. We need the experts among you and also those who show their love for the Model A. How else can the next generation fall in love with a pre-war car. At 53, I'm probably one of the youngest among you. Without Paul Shinn's videos I probably wouldn't have dared to buy a Model A. Although this has been a dream for a long time, I needed certainty that a newbie could also handle this car without having to constantly consult an old-school expert. We need people like Paul Shinn and we need those of you who know what you're talking about. Please stop this dogfight, put your egos aside and start all over again as friends. I'm sure you both can do better than this...

[Ernie Vitucci]

Good Day to Everyone...Just a thought from a fellow who worked in print journalism for 30 years. I see two sides to this story...one simple news reporting...the other working within an industry. I'm 75 and long retired...In my day, we tried very hard to have two ways to confirm the facts that we reported...occasionally we went with one set of facts...if we were sure they were correct...That's what Paul did...As a journalist, he was doing his job...However, as someone who who is part of a large family...The Model A Ford family...it would have been better to have contacted John and said 'I have some facts regarding your blocks that need a second opinion before I report them. Are you willing to make the measurements and confirm or not confirm what I have been told?
I hope that John will video the work required to confirm or not confirm the facts as reported and share what is learned with all of us...often in life we learn better ways to do things as we go along...For the good of the hobby...Paul and John and Terry need to have a good working reltionship...Ernie in Arizona.

[john charlton]

If JKY includes us all I think we all promote the Model A Ford why else would we post ??? Where else can you get an up to date weather report from Suffolk County England ??? I do hope Paul is not put off from You Tube posting I for one find his posts informative and entertaining any comment I make he takes in good part ,dipper tray !!! And hats off to Terry Burtz for all his hard work and all for the hobby of course it cannot be a get rich quick scheme for sure .

John in cool overcast autumn evening Suffolk County England .

[Lenny Bruce]

To Paul Shinn…Thank you so much for your videos! They inspired me to buy my first 1930 Tudor Sedan this May. Your videos have helped me tremendously. Nobodies perfect and I’m sure your latest video wasn’t something you intended to cause issues with anyone. Just my opinion that you are surely a huge motivator for all ages of new and old Model A enthusiasts.
Hopefully this doesn’t deter you from making more videos. Huge fan…..Lenny

[Jim_Chesapeake_VA]

Like Lenny above my wife and I purchased our first Model A (29 Tudor) this past April. I won't not even attempted buying the car without Paul's videos. They have helped me out tremendously with the sorting out of the car (I have a long way to go but we had our first drive this weekend). Paul, like everyone here, makes mistakes. It's ok, what is important is that we learn from them. I managed to mess up the paint on my gas tank during the 4 month cleaning process (lacquer thinner). I appreciate all the vendors including Burtz Engines who make it possible for all of us to enjoy these cars.

[edgar44]

Paul asked Terry to answer here, in full view of the public, to put this to rest. Let's show some respect...both sides now!

[Terry Burtz, Calif]

Originally Posted by edgar44

Paul asked Terry to answer here, in full view of the public, to put this to rest. Let's show some respect...both sides now!

I'm happy to answer any questions. Please state the questions.

Paul has an email asking him to repack his "New Engine" parts, take pictures of the shipment, where the shipment can be picked up, and the shipper's contact information.

The shipment will be sent to a modern machine shop in CA that has precision measuring equipment and the knowledge to accurately measure all parts.

When the measurements are available, I will be happy to post them here on FordBarn.

[jack backer]

As should have transpired before “show time”

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by Terry Burtz, Calif

I'm happy to answer any questions. Please state the questions.

Paul has an email asking him to repack his "New Engine" parts, take pictures of the shipment, where the shipment can be picked up, and the shipper's contact information.

The shipment will be sent to a modern machine shop in CA that has precision measuring equipment and the knowledge to accurately measure all parts.

When the measurements are available, I will be happy to post them here on FordBarn.

No email yet. And, you're pasting the same messages on multiple forums again. Can we please just pick one?

Thank you!
Paul

[P.S.]

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Originally Posted by jack backer

As should have transpired before “show time”

You don't have all the facts.

[P.S.]

Originally Posted by Terry Burtz, Calif

I'm happy to answer any questions. Please state the questions.

Paul has an email asking him to repack his "New Engine" parts, take pictures of the shipment, where the shipment can be picked up, and the shipper's contact information.

The shipment will be sent to a modern machine shop in CA that has precision measuring equipment and the knowledge to accurately measure all parts.

When the measurements are available, I will be happy to post them here on FordBarn.

Email ha been received. Thank you! I will do as instructed.

I hope you don't mind if I make a video showing the measurements Willie and I made, and how we made them so we can compare notes when your machine shop makes theirs? I like to learn from mistakes if any are made. Thanks!

[jack backer]

Originally Posted by P.S.

You don't have all the facts.

Consider yourself fortunate.

[Ayers1]

Originally Posted by History

I shouldn’t and I know it BUT,,,, I believe this can be settled if everyone can keep their egos in check. I say that knowing I have an ego myself and understand that egos like to WIN!! I don’t think Paul was trying cause problems for Mr Burtz or anyone here. I’ve watched lots of his videos and appreciate them, I also appreciate mr Burtz for making these blocks as we surely need them. We all make mistakes but as I told my father in law after realizing that I had pissed him off, I didn’t do it knowing I was doing the wrong thing or my real words to him, “I didn’t do it saying screw him”. Intent is the key and I don’t think Paul “intended” to cause problems for Mr Burtz. Could it have been handled better? Yes probably so. Is Paul right about everything??? Is Mr Burtz right about everything? Nobody here is always right with the exception of me. 😉

This doesn’t have to fall apart and enemies made that weren’t enemies yesterday.
I’m not usually the voice of reason, I’m usually the guy doing stupid stuff and not meaning to.

I have to agree with this statement. I have watched many of Paul's videos and am very impressed with them. I am also amazed that someone has taken the time to get a brand new block built for our hobby. These are 2 well meaning guys that are in the middle of a misunderstanding. It should be worked out between them and no one else.

[todd3131]

I came into this thread after the video was pulled down so I don't know what the issue is with the measurements. What I do know is a issue has arisen about a motor that we are planning to buy after I do my due diligence as to what needs to be done and who I trust to build it. I am confident that if Paul is proven that he made a mistake he will own it. If he is proven correct they will back up the work and that is all anyone can ask. Now being that this is in public we all have more than a passing curiosity as to this issue because it can affect my decisions. I ask that once the two parties agree to a resolution they do a post mortem for us so we can apply a solution if any to our own projects. Thank you