Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-31-2018, 02:28 PM   #1
Henry Hopper
Senior Member
 
Henry Hopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: N.W.England
Posts: 439
Default Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

I have a 37 steering box that Im fitting to the Cabriolet.I bought a rebuild kit for the box and it arrived on Thursday.I commenced trying to remove the existing worm gear!!!..no ammount of persuasion would shift that sucker so I split it with a cutting disc in the angle grinder and off it came..result!... Next it was time to fit the new worm gear....man 'o man what a struggle..heat and pounding,no good...hydraulic press ,no good..it would go so far but stick solid about 3/16" short.

I tried plan C this morning....polished the shaft to mirror finish...put the worm in the oven in the kitchen at max heat for half an hour.Next I called my old apprentice to bring me a bottle of refrigerant over....I froze the shaft good and proper..then placed the worm onto the shaft...it dropped straight on and even went a bit too far..no force, just fell into place...I adjusted it until in the proper position.

So, I hope this helps someone in a similar bind.
Henry Hopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2018, 03:15 PM   #2
tubman
Senior Member
 
tubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys
Posts: 10,303
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

This reminds me that in my high school physics classroom there was a device that looked like two old time soldering irons (the kind that you heated with a blowtorch to use). The both had standard wooden handles, and one had a ring on the end, the other had a ball. On the first day of class, the teacher would give them to the biggest guy in class and tell him to take them apart (the ball had been pushed through the ring). It couldn't be done. He would then turn on a Bunsen Burner (remember them?) and heat the ring up for a minute or so, and the ball slipped right through. I will always remember that demonstration and have always been ready to use heat in sticky situations.


(BTW, I wasn't the kid the teacher gave it to on that first day to try.)
tubman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 03-31-2018, 11:17 PM   #3
Pete
Senior Member
 
Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wa.
Posts: 5,407
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hopper View Post
I have a 37 steering box that Im fitting to the Cabriolet.I bought a rebuild kit for the box and it arrived on Thursday.I commenced trying to remove the existing worm gear!!!..no ammount of persuasion would shift that sucker so I split it with a cutting disc in the angle grinder and off it came..result!... Next it was time to fit the new worm gear....man 'o man what a struggle..heat and pounding,no good...hydraulic press ,no good..it would go so far but stick solid about 3/16" short.

I tried plan C this morning....polished the shaft to mirror finish...put the worm in the oven in the kitchen at max heat for half an hour.Next I called my old apprentice to bring me a bottle of refrigerant over....I froze the shaft good and proper..then placed the worm onto the shaft...it dropped straight on and even went a bit too far..no force, just fell into place...I adjusted it until in the proper position.

So, I hope this helps someone in a similar bind.
If the gear turned any color when heating, it won't last very long.
Those gears are normally pressed off and on with a fixture.
Pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 12:34 AM   #4
RalphM
Senior Member
 
RalphM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: North Pole, Alaska
Posts: 2,651
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Flywheel ring gears also just” fall on “when heated.
RalphM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 03:02 AM   #5
Henry Hopper
Senior Member
 
Henry Hopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: N.W.England
Posts: 439
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Heated it in the oven in the kitchen...I doubt very much that it could make enough heat to damage the integrity of the part.
Henry Hopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 05:49 AM   #6
51 MERC-CT
Senior Member
 
51 MERC-CT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: East Hartford, Ct
Posts: 5,898
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hopper View Post
Heated it in the oven in the kitchen...I doubt very much that it could make enough heat to damage the integrity of the part.
Considering that most if not all kitchen ovens may achieve 500°F, there is a coefficient of expansion figure that can be used for steel to determine how much a given dia. will expand at 500°F.
That figure is (.0035).
Multiply the figure (.0035) times the diameter of the fitting diameter to determine how much the diameter will expand.
For example the .75 dia worm gear would expand (.0026)
The appox. 14 inch dia flywheel gear would expand (.049)
So it isn't any wonder that the flywheel gear would just "fall on"
__________________
DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

Last edited by 51 MERC-CT; 04-01-2018 at 06:55 AM.
51 MERC-CT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 07:01 AM   #7
chap52
Senior Member
 
chap52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Marana Arizona
Posts: 1,776
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Did the same thing with a ring gear awhile back only Momma's stare motivated me to use my old school charcoal bar-b-que to "gently heat the ring without discoloring it She didn't know that my son had already placed the flywheel in the freezer.
If anyone shares this with my wife I will quickly become political..."I do not recall'''...
chap52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 08:06 AM   #8
JM 35 Sedan
Senior Member
 
JM 35 Sedan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Near Rising Sun, Maryland
Posts: 10,858
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Neal in California had posted pictures here some time ago, with details of his press fixtures and how he presses these gears on/off the shaft. Then I followed up later with pictures of the tooling I made based on Neal's idea. I've done several of these worm gear swaps for my cars and other folks.
You could be do a forum search to find these posts.
__________________
John

"Never give up on what you really want to do. The person with big dreams is more powerful than one with all the facts". Albert Einstein

Last edited by JM 35 Sedan; 04-01-2018 at 08:13 AM.
JM 35 Sedan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 09:24 AM   #9
rotorwrench
Senior Member
 
rotorwrench's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 16,425
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

On heating critical parts, all my instructions from various manufacturers use no more than 275 degrees F for heat. Freezing is the key. You can get it as cold as you can and not worry. I have simple equipment to make dry ice with a bottle of CO2 and that works for most assembly procedures.

This is a very good thread with Neil in CA's and JM 35 Sedan's information and tooling. Neil does this stuff more than most. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...=steering+worm
rotorwrench is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 01:06 PM   #10
Ronnie
Senior Member
 
Ronnie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Canada Where it snows
Posts: 2,058
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

Read on
https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en-C...pe=&as_rights=

R
Ronnie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2018, 08:20 PM   #11
Kahuna
Senior Member
 
Kahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: NorCal
Posts: 2,617
Default Re: Fitting new worm gear to steering shaft.

I took My 32 Shaft to a Tractor (John Deere) dealer. He pressed the old one off & the new one on is about 5 minutes. Charged me NOTHING
Kahuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:30 PM.