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blucar · 11-01-2010, 11:58 AM

I think the FE designation for Ford engines covers the majority of the big block engines, e.g. 352, 333, 360, 390, 427-428 engines. The engines with the massive intake manifold and round bell housing, in lieu of peaked bell housing, which the small blocks, 289, 305, 351W, 460 and the 240-300 cid six cylinder engines have.
The 460 V8 is considered to be a FE style of engine because of the huge intake manifold, however, it will not switch into a vehicle that had a 352/390 because of the bell housing pattern.
The FE engines will bolt right into a vehicle that came equipped with a Y block if you have the proper Ford bell housing and front motor mount. The Y block was the standard engine in many Fords in '63-64 with the 352 as an option.. Finding one of the FE/Y block bell housings could be very difficult now.

Flat Ernie · 11-01-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blucar

The 460 V8 is considered to be a FE style of engine because of the huge intake manifold, however, it will not switch into a vehicle that had a 352/390 because of the bell housing pattern.

The 460 (and 429) are 385 "Lima" engines, not FEs. The FE is really only those earlier ones you listed.

The 429/460 share many design characteristics with 351M/400 as well.

Ol' Ron · 11-01-2010, 06:32 PM

Thanks Ronnie, I needed that.

gmc1941 · 11-01-2010, 09:24 PM

I've ran a 6volt on my Model A's with a 12 volt system. Cranks a little faster. Changed the bendix withe the modern style and eliminates any possiblity of the spring ever braking. Al little difference in the sound when it engages. Best thing I ever done. Except when I UPGRADED to the flatty THAT WAS EVEN BETTER.

franksford · 11-02-2010, 10:40 AM

If you havn't found the answer yet email or call me i may be able to help. Frank (616) 874-1224

butchbov · 11-02-2010, 11:13 AM

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Ronnie, Does the starter have to be from an FE motor or can you use a MEL starter too?

Teich · 11-02-2010, 11:52 AM

Ran my 6 volt starter on 12v. for two years,thought i was home free then it broke! changed it to 12v.now works good touch wood. just got a 12 v starter that looked the same, used the 12v barrel only the rest was all 6 v parts of the 48 starter works very good. I think it was a 292 or a six cyl,starter. Laurie

Mart · 11-02-2010, 12:21 PM

A permanent magnet motor will run backwards if you change the polarity of the wires.
because the starter motor has wound fields instead of permanent magnets, it will run in the same direction if you reverse the feed.
This is because in effect you reverse it twice - once in the armature and once in the fields - two wrongs making a right if you like.

Interesting point re using fe starters as donors - I'll keep my eyes open for one.

Mart.

Ronnie · 11-02-2010, 04:51 PM

Butchbov

Not sure would have to compare the two.
Someone here will chime in on that one.

Ronnie

11-01-2010, 11:58 AM	#21
blucar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 2,464	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V I think the FE designation for Ford engines covers the majority of the big block engines, e.g. 352, 333, 360, 390, 427-428 engines. The engines with the massive intake manifold and round bell housing, in lieu of peaked bell housing, which the small blocks, 289, 305, 351W, 460 and the 240-300 cid six cylinder engines have. The 460 V8 is considered to be a FE style of engine because of the huge intake manifold, however, it will not switch into a vehicle that had a 352/390 because of the bell housing pattern. The FE engines will bolt right into a vehicle that came equipped with a Y block if you have the proper Ford bell housing and front motor mount. The Y block was the standard engine in many Fords in '63-64 with the 352 as an option.. Finding one of the FE/Y block bell housings could be very difficult now. __________________ Bill.... 36 5 win cpe

11-01-2010, 06:32 PM	#23
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,860	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V Thanks Ronnie, I needed that.

11-01-2010, 09:24 PM	#24
gmc1941 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Palatine, Il Posts: 486	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V I've ran a 6volt on my Model A's with a 12 volt system. Cranks a little faster. Changed the bendix withe the modern style and eliminates any possiblity of the spring ever braking. Al little difference in the sound when it engages. Best thing I ever done. Except when I UPGRADED to the flatty THAT WAS EVEN BETTER. __________________ 1939 Fordor Deluxe 1939 Ford Coupe Std 1940 Ford pickup Nothing in life is to be feared; it is only to be understood.

11-02-2010, 10:40 AM	#25
franksford Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rockford Michigan Posts: 190	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V If you havn't found the answer yet email or call me i may be able to help. Frank (616) 874-1224

11-02-2010, 11:13 AM	#26
butchbov Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bloomfield, Indiana Posts: 84	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Ronnie, Does the starter have to be from an FE motor or can you use a MEL starter too? __________________ Butch In a world filled with stress it is better to give than to receive.

11-02-2010, 11:52 AM	#27
Teich Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brandon Mb Canada Posts: 133	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V Ran my 6 volt starter on 12v. for two years,thought i was home free then it broke! changed it to 12v.now works good touch wood. just got a 12 v starter that looked the same, used the 12v barrel only the rest was all 6 v parts of the 48 starter works very good. I think it was a 292 or a six cyl,starter. Laurie

11-02-2010, 12:21 PM	#28
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,750	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V A permanent magnet motor will run backwards if you change the polarity of the wires. because the starter motor has wound fields instead of permanent magnets, it will run in the same direction if you reverse the feed. This is because in effect you reverse it twice - once in the armature and once in the fields - two wrongs making a right if you like. Interesting point re using fe starters as donors - I'll keep my eyes open for one. Mart.

11-02-2010, 04:51 PM	#29
Ronnie Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Where it snows Posts: 2,058	Re: Converting 6V starter to 12V Butchbov Not sure would have to compare the two. Someone here will chime in on that one. Ronnie