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Onlybackroads · 03-24-2013, 01:16 AM

Hey everyone, curious about the use of a PTO on a Model A, I'd be interested in using one on a doodlebug. Any info and/or experiences with hooking one up and what kind of PTO unit is adaptable would be greatly appreciated! Gotta mow the lawn soon...

CarlG · 03-24-2013, 01:33 AM

You could put an AA 4-speed transmission with a PTO. Requires a couple extra parts to adapt the transmission to an A, but they were an option from Ford, and might still be available somewhere.

The extra parts needed are:

A-7085-E Rear Bearing Retainer
A-7090-C U-Joint Assembly
AA-7095 U-Joint knuckle retainer.

Onlybackroads · 03-24-2013, 02:07 AM

Ok, did some more research tonight... With the 3-speed trans hooked up to the 2-speed under drive, there was a 4-bolt PTO made to fit on the bottom of the 2-speed. And it sounds like they are hard to find. I also found out that there's a different site with AA forums and that's probably where I should ask this, but I like this site and I'm already here!

Any other ways of hooking up a pto? I guess I could always put a belt drive around one of my rear wheels....

ctlikon0712 · 03-24-2013, 03:52 AM

Yes, there was a PTO for the AA 4 speed transmission that mounted on the pass/right side of the transmission gear box. It was used for some of the AA accessories of the time like some dump beds and tow wenches etc.....

Ken B · 03-24-2013, 07:03 AM

I thought there was a PTO for a Model AA on Ebay recently.

Ken B · 03-24-2013, 07:21 AM

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Joe K · 03-24-2013, 08:08 AM

I believe the Model AA four speed (Borg Warner Transmission) has the PTO blank on the passenger side as mentioned. Also this blank/connection is an SAE standard: there may be MANY PTO boxes that will fit it.

IIRC there are 6 bolt SAE connections (Like the Model AA) and there are 8 and beyond bolt connections: other than the number of bolts the setup is similar but the larger units are definitely the 6 bolt on steroids. You can search on the internet using search terms 6 bolt SAE PTO and come to MANY brochures and an outline of the standards from different makers. One I picked out was http://www.metaris.com/catalogs/PTO-Catalogue-V3.pdf

Back when I was trying to get an AA truck together for my own use, I found a PTO takeoff at one of the fleamarket/engine shows for $5. It was totally worn out but could have been rebuilt for use.

Joe K

George Miller · 03-24-2013, 08:34 AM

I built one once used it to run a bush hog, and plow snow. If you look close you can see the pto under the rear axle. can not find a picture of it when it was finished. Used a Model A truck 4 speed with a pto. It also had a 3 point hitch and live hydraulics.

George Miller · 03-24-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by George Miller

I built one once used it to run a bush hog, and plow snow. If you look close you can see the pto under the rear axle. can not find a picture of it when it was finished. Used a Model A truck 4 speed with a pto. It also had a 3 point hitch and live hydraulics.

Here is another picture of it when I was building it.

Onlybackroads · 03-24-2013, 06:54 PM

That looks like a fun build George, can't wait to start my build.

The project I'm getting has a 3-speed tranny and a 2-speed underdrive box, so I'm going to need a 4-bolt PTO if I want to run one on that setup. It bolts onto the underside of the underdrive. I'd really rather not hook up a whole new transmission and just use what I have, so if anyone hears of a 4-bolt for sale, let me know!

Bob C · 03-24-2013, 10:18 PM

Four bolt PTO's cost big bucks,if you can find one.

Bob

Onlybackroads · 03-24-2013, 11:15 PM

So it seems, hopefully I can find one hiding somewhere

George Miller · 03-26-2013, 05:28 AM

Here is a picture of the finished tractor.

roccaas · 03-26-2013, 05:45 AM

I don't guess a wide leather belt running around the "tireless" rear wheel and attached to some rotary device qualifies?

I'm waiting to see this on Duck Dynasty, Moonshiners, or Antique Loggers.

29ModelA · 03-26-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by roccaas

I don't guess a wide leather belt running around the "tireless" rear wheel and attached to some rotary device qualifies?

I'm waiting to see this on Duck Dynasty, Moonshiners, or Antique Loggers.

Duck Dynasty already did it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKsO3U-IXvg

Rowdy · 03-26-2013, 11:15 AM

I have a couple of PTO's. None correct for the AA 4 spd. I have not deternined what the gears are meant to mesh with. Bolt pattern looks to be correct for the AA, but they have double drive gears. I can dig them out later this week if you think they may mesh with the underdrive secondary transmission. Rod

FordMike · 03-26-2013, 04:14 PM

I have a 4 bolt pto for the bottom of the dual high box on the shelf somewhere. I can dig it out and snap you a few pics if you'd like to use them as a reference.

1crosscut · 03-26-2013, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordMike

I have a 4 bolt pto for the bottom of the dual high box on the shelf somewhere. I can dig it out and snap you a few pics if you'd like to use them as a reference.

I'd like to see pictures of it.

FordMike · 03-26-2013, 04:49 PM

Here are the pics of the 4 bolt pto, along with a diagram for installation with the factory dual high auxiliary drive.

As for rarity, this is the only one I have ever seen and I don't know of anyone else who has one.

I also have a 4 spd trans with a pto on it if you would like some pictures of that too, that also has the factory handles to control it.

Sorry for the huge pics, hopefully this will help.

1crosscut · 03-26-2013, 06:09 PM

Thanks for the pictures. It's a bummer that the corner of the pto is broken but still having the rest of the ear it can be fixed. I'm just about to pull my dual high apart to replace the seals etc... nice to see what the pto looks like.

Onlybackroads · 03-26-2013, 10:31 PM

Thanks FordMike, good to see what it looks like. Hopefully I can find one some day!

Rowdy · 03-28-2013, 07:13 PM

Here are pic's of the PTO's I have. Neither will rork as is with the Model A. I thought the gear arrangemnet of the larger one was alittle interesting. Rod

pyrodork · 03-31-2013, 02:42 AM

i've got an AA with a pto, but i've been searching for pictures of the correct handle for it. apparently these handles are a rarity (or at least the photos are!).

soloma · 05-13-2020, 04:17 PM

Anyone help me out on ID’n what I have here
Thanks

soloma · 05-13-2020, 04:28 PM

More pictures.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 05-15-2020, 08:40 AM

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Anyone help me out on ID’n what I have here
Thanks

Hydraulic pump?? Your pictures are very hard for me to look at, put it appears the large open port would the supply side, and I can't tell if there are pressure ports?

Chris Haynes · 05-15-2020, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onlybackroads

Ok, I also found out that there's a different site with AA forums and that's probably where I should ask this, but I like this site and I'm already here!

http://forums.aa-fords.com/index.php...b3cc3835d9aef8

03-24-2013, 01:16 AM	#1
Onlybackroads Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 235	PTO on a Model A? Hey everyone, curious about the use of a PTO on a Model A, I'd be interested in using one on a doodlebug. Any info and/or experiences with hooking one up and what kind of PTO unit is adaptable would be greatly appreciated! Gotta mow the lawn soon...

03-24-2013, 01:33 AM	#2
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: PTO on a Model A? You could put an AA 4-speed transmission with a PTO. Requires a couple extra parts to adapt the transmission to an A, but they were an option from Ford, and might still be available somewhere. The extra parts needed are: A-7085-E Rear Bearing Retainer A-7090-C U-Joint Assembly AA-7095 U-Joint knuckle retainer. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club Last edited by CarlG; 03-24-2013 at 01:40 AM. Reason: Add part numbers

03-24-2013, 02:07 AM	#3
Onlybackroads Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 235	Re: PTO on a Model A? Ok, did some more research tonight... With the 3-speed trans hooked up to the 2-speed under drive, there was a 4-bolt PTO made to fit on the bottom of the 2-speed. And it sounds like they are hard to find. I also found out that there's a different site with AA forums and that's probably where I should ask this, but I like this site and I'm already here! Any other ways of hooking up a pto? I guess I could always put a belt drive around one of my rear wheels....

03-24-2013, 03:52 AM	#4
ctlikon0712 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 1,609	Re: PTO on a Model A? Yes, there was a PTO for the AA 4 speed transmission that mounted on the pass/right side of the transmission gear box. It was used for some of the AA accessories of the time like some dump beds and tow wenches etc..... __________________ Wanted: Simmons Super Power Head Craig Likon 1931 150B

03-24-2013, 07:03 AM	#5
Ken B Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Plover, WI Posts: 261	Re: PTO on a Model A? I thought there was a PTO for a Model AA on Ebay recently.

03-24-2013, 07:21 AM	#6
Ken B Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Plover, WI Posts: 261	Re: PTO on a Model A? Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Here is the Ebay item number: 350476962766

03-24-2013, 08:08 AM	#7
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 4,188	Re: PTO on a Model A? I believe the Model AA four speed (Borg Warner Transmission) has the PTO blank on the passenger side as mentioned. Also this blank/connection is an SAE standard: there may be MANY PTO boxes that will fit it. IIRC there are 6 bolt SAE connections (Like the Model AA) and there are 8 and beyond bolt connections: other than the number of bolts the setup is similar but the larger units are definitely the 6 bolt on steroids. You can search on the internet using search terms 6 bolt SAE PTO and come to MANY brochures and an outline of the standards from different makers. One I picked out was http://www.metaris.com/catalogs/PTO-Catalogue-V3.pdf Back when I was trying to get an AA truck together for my own use, I found a PTO takeoff at one of the fleamarket/engine shows for $5. It was totally worn out but could have been rebuilt for use. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

03-24-2013, 06:54 PM	#10
Onlybackroads Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 235	Re: PTO on a Model A? That looks like a fun build George, can't wait to start my build. The project I'm getting has a 3-speed tranny and a 2-speed underdrive box, so I'm going to need a 4-bolt PTO if I want to run one on that setup. It bolts onto the underside of the underdrive. I'd really rather not hook up a whole new transmission and just use what I have, so if anyone hears of a 4-bolt for sale, let me know!

03-24-2013, 10:18 PM	#11
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,747	Re: PTO on a Model A? Four bolt PTO's cost big bucks,if you can find one. Bob

03-24-2013, 11:15 PM	#12
Onlybackroads Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 235	Re: PTO on a Model A? So it seems, hopefully I can find one hiding somewhere

03-26-2013, 05:45 AM	#14
roccaas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 1,300	Re: PTO on a Model A? I don't guess a wide leather belt running around the "tireless" rear wheel and attached to some rotary device qualifies? I'm waiting to see this on Duck Dynasty, Moonshiners, or Antique Loggers. __________________ 20 years ago we had Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, and Bob Hope. Now we have no Cash, no Jobs, and no Hope...please don't let Kevin Bacon die!

03-26-2013, 11:15 AM	#16
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: PTO on a Model A? I have a couple of PTO's. None correct for the AA 4 spd. I have not deternined what the gears are meant to mesh with. Bolt pattern looks to be correct for the AA, but they have double drive gears. I can dig them out later this week if you think they may mesh with the underdrive secondary transmission. Rod

03-26-2013, 04:14 PM	#17
FordMike Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tobyhanna, Pa Posts: 91	Re: PTO on a Model A? I have a 4 bolt pto for the bottom of the dual high box on the shelf somewhere. I can dig it out and snap you a few pics if you'd like to use them as a reference.

03-26-2013, 04:49 PM	#19
FordMike Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tobyhanna, Pa Posts: 91	Re: PTO on a Model A? Here are the pics of the 4 bolt pto, along with a diagram for installation with the factory dual high auxiliary drive. As for rarity, this is the only one I have ever seen and I don't know of anyone else who has one. I also have a 4 spd trans with a pto on it if you would like some pictures of that too, that also has the factory handles to control it. Sorry for the huge pics, hopefully this will help.

03-26-2013, 06:09 PM	#20
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,908	Re: PTO on a Model A? Thanks for the pictures. It's a bummer that the corner of the pto is broken but still having the rest of the ear it can be fixed. I'm just about to pull my dual high apart to replace the seals etc... nice to see what the pto looks like. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska

03-26-2013, 10:31 PM	#21
Onlybackroads Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 235	Re: PTO on a Model A? Thanks FordMike, good to see what it looks like. Hopefully I can find one some day!

03-31-2013, 02:42 AM	#23
pyrodork Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 65	Re: PTO on a Model A? i've got an AA with a pto, but i've been searching for pictures of the correct handle for it. apparently these handles are a rarity (or at least the photos are!). __________________ Current Classics: 1930 Ford Model A Tudor 1937 Plymouth P4 Deluxe 2-door touring sedan 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 Past Classics: Early '30 Ford Model AA 1948 Dodge Deluxe 4-door sedan 1951 Studebaker Champion 2-door sedan 1988 Ford E-350XL Ambulance