1956 Big Truck Engines - confusion

[raceron1120]

Recently I got into a discussion on another site about the engines used in 1956 F800s & maybe other Big Job trucks. Some are saying they were 332s (not the later FE series).
I always & maybe mistakenly thought there was just one Lincoln Yblock version & it was a 302.

Or were both sizes used in the big trucks during that period?

302 A.jpg

302 b.jpg

[ms fowler]

Sure LOOKS like a Y block to me.

Here is a link to a brochure for 1956 F900 trucks and has details on the 332 engine. They call it the "Torque King Y8"
http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/ford/56_9/56_9.html

Interesting that they call 3.66" a short stroke. I guess it is all relative.

[raceron1120]

Originally Posted by ms fowler

Sure LOOKS like a Y block to me.

Here is a link to a brochure for 1956 F900 trucks and has details on the 332 engine.

Thanks for that info, I had never seen it before. BUT - wasn't there also a 302 cid version of that same basic design engine? Perhaps it was available in the smaller "big trucks" (F500s & 600s)? I don't know.

I was a Ford truck parts guy in the early/mid 70s; some of those old trucks were still on the road at the time but not enough for me to be very well educated on the details.

[ms fowler]

I am not a Y block expert--I am sure some will chime in later--
There were several versions of the Y. Ford introduced it as 239 cubic inches and later increased it to 272, 292 and 312, No factory 302 Y block that I know of.
There was also a Lincoln version of the Y, similar but with some detail changes-- 317, 341 and 368 cubic inches.

[dmsfrr]

The pair of ridges on the valve covers at each hold-down bolt are likely one of the easiest ways to identify that engine as a Lincoln Y-block.

Originally Posted by raceron1120

. . . BUT - wasn't there also a 302 cid version of that same basic design engine? . . .

Yes there was.

Originally Posted by ms fowler

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There was also a Lincoln version of the Y, similar but with some detail changes-- 317, 341 and 368 cubic inches.

There are some images, details and a list of engine block casting ID numbers at this link ...

http://www.ford-y-block.com/lincoln-y.htm


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[raceron1120]

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Originally Posted by dmsfrr

. . .There are some images, details and a list of engine block casting numbers at this link ...
http://www.ford-y-block.com/lincoln-y.htm
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That link helps a lot. I knew some of the CIDs listed but not all. And yes about the ribbed rocker covers being Lincoln Yblocks, vice the Ford Y's.

Thanks much for the info.

[55blacktie]

Isn't the 332 the smallest FE series engine and first offered in 1958?

[dmsfrr]

Originally Posted by 55blacktie

Isn't the 332 the smallest FE series engine and first offered in 1958?

That seems to be correct. Just not the same engine as a Lincoln 332, except in displacement.
I wouldn't count wikipedia as an authoritative source, but here's what they have to say....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine

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[scicala]

Originally Posted by 55blacktie

Isn't the 332 the smallest FE series engine and first offered in 1958?

There was also a Lincoln Y Block used in heavy trucks that was a 332. Not an FE 332 like used in cars in '58 and '59.
The heavy truck Lincoln Y blocks were 279, 302 and 332.

Wikipedia is based on input from people like us, and not really on their research. In this case I would say Wikepedia missed the bulls eye by about a mile.

Sal

[raceron1120]

Same cubic inch displacement between some of the FORD Y's and the LINCOLN/BIG TRUCK Y's just ads to the confusion, eh?

I don't think there's any major parts between the 2 different engine configurations that are interchangeable.

[55blacktie]

Originally Posted by raceron1120

Same cubic inch displacement between some of the FORD Y's and the LINCOLN/BIG TRUCK Y's just ads to the confusion, eh?

I don't think there's any major parts between the 2 different engine configurations that are interchangeable.

Only the distributor (with the right gear) and the oil pump.

[mercman from oz]

1956 Ford Truck Engines

[mercman from oz]

[scicala]

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

1956 Ford Truck Engines

The 279 LLincoln Y Block (not shown in this '56 ad) was only offered in '52 thru '55.

Sal

[mercman from oz]

1955 Ford Truck V-8 Engines

[mercman from oz]

1955 Ford 279 & 317 CID Cargo King V-8's

[1942deluxe]

Something weird I have in my stash of NOS parts is a FAD-12127-B distributor head. The only reference I could find indicated it fit 54-55 600-700 with a 256 cubic inch engine. That would be a Y block truck engine?

[raceron1120]

Originally Posted by 1942deluxe

Something weird I have in my stash of NOS parts is a FAD-12127-B distributor head. The only reference I could find indicated it fit 54-55 600-700 with a 256 cubic inch engine. That would be a Y block truck engine?

I think the 256's are Merc Yblocks and might've also been used in '54 Ford police cars. Subject to correction, but I don't think they were the Lincoln-style Yblocks, and I don't know if they were used in trucks.

[55blacktie]

Originally Posted by raceron1120

I think the 256's are Merc Yblocks and might've also been used in '54 Ford police cars. Subject to correction, but I don't think they were the Lincoln-style Yblocks, and I don't know if they were used in trucks.

Correct. The 256 is a Mercury Y-block. It's the same as the 239, except it has a larger bore (3.62 vs. 3.50).

[Lamar Wadsworth]

If I remember right, the '54-56 cop cars had Merc engines and the rear end that was used on station wagons, sedan deliveries, and Tbirds.