Request for AC guys

[PalAl]

Looking for clear pictures of AC units installed on your cars, compressor/Alternator mounts, dryer mount, hose routing,
interior brackets, condensor placement, evaporator mounts.

Also what type of fans are you using, two blade, 5 blade,
plastic 6 blade?

Did you have any compressor clearance issues with the fan?

How much clearance do you have between your fan and compressor?

Any AC install advice you learneddoing your install would be appreciated.

I have insulated, insulated, insulated and converted to 12 volts.

Please.... no put downs for AC install as it's necessary for me to continue
enjoying this great hobby.

[30 Closed Cab PU]

Nice Picture. Any chance in 2011 you being a member of the Rockford A's got my truck woken from a 50 year nap? Done at the Paulson Agricultural Museum. A couple of miles from the I90/I39 and Il 173.

[Jim/GA]

Contact Ken Davis in Texas (outside Ft. Worth) and get his kit. It fits, it works, it's a very clean install.

http://www.kendavismodela.com/AirConditioners.html

He cuts and fabricates the hoses specific to your body style. Condenser mounts under the rear axle under the car.

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Jim/GA

Contact Ken Davins in Texas (outside Ft. Worth) and get his kit. It fits, it works, it's a very clean install.

http://www.kendavismodela.com/AirConditioners.html

He cuts and fabricates the hoses specific to your body style. Condenser mounts under the rear axle under the car.

All your questions answered with a Ken Davis kit! Easy-peasy install!

[shew01]

I met David Dowdy on Facebook (eastern Virginia), and he sent me these picture of his car. 12v is a requirement. I think his car is a Ken Davis unit.







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[Jim/GA]

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Originally Posted by shew01

I met David Dowdy on Facebook (eastern Virginia), and he sent me these picture of his car. 12v is a requirement. I think his car is a Ken Davis unit.







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Yes, that sure looks like a Ken Davis system to me.

[fredski53]

I have a Ken Davis A/C kit in my 30 Victoria. Love it! The only thing "extra" I did was to shorten the Ebrake handle about 4 inches. He supply's a bracket to lower the ebrake handle, but I wanted it lower then his bracket allowed.

[Herb Concord Ca]

I have a Ken Davis A/C in my Slant town sedan since 2010. Wife says its the best feature in our Model A. Like others said its an easy install. The above picture ARE a Ken Davis kit. I also shorten my E-brake handle by 4", this allows the handle to go under the AC unit in the car. Unless to look at the ammeter, you never know compressor is operating. A great feature is in the morning, we run just the fan to circulate the air in the car, latter when it gets warmer we turn on the compressor.

[kenparker]

If you want a kit to install, Ken Davis Kits is the way to go. If you want to DIY I have lots of pictures of my unit being built and installed. Mine is a Ken Parker "kit' and I built all the brackets and bought parts from Vintage Air. Time consuming but not hard.


Now to answer some of your questions.
6 blade plastic fan gives you the clearance you need. Alternator is mounted on same support bracket as the compressor and operated with a single 5/8" wide belt.

Evaporator gets in the way of the Parking brake handle, thus, the shortening of the handle as mentioned above. Or in my case I changed the angle of the handle to miss the evaporator - no shortening required.
Condenser is mounted under the rear of the vehicle and behind the banjo -easy install, just requires lots of hose to get back there.


I am in the pprocess of inatalling a kit in my Woody now. Will be measuring cutting and runing hoses todday. Will take more pictures as day goes by.

oops, cant send pictures on quick reply. look for pictures is separate post.

[kenparker]

Here are some of the pictures of my install.

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by 30 Closed Cab PU

Nice Picture. Any chance in 2011 you being a member of the Rockford A's got my truck woken from a 50 year nap? Done at the Paulson Agricultural Museum. A couple of miles from the I90/I39 and Il 173.

Good morning, I joined the RFA's late in 2016 but saw your pictures and recognized a lot of the club members, I asked Jim Morley about it and he said it was a great club project, another "A" brought back to life. I have passed the Museum several times, are you normally there? When things clear up a little more I want to visit with my Granson. Looking forward to meeting you.
Here is another good photo shoot at the Silver Creek Train that I really like

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by Jim/GA

Contact Ken Davis in Texas (outside Ft. Worth) and get his kit. It fits, it works, it's a very clean install.

http://www.kendavismodela.com/AirConditioners.html

He cuts and fabricates the hoses specific to your body style. Condenser mounts under the rear axle under the car.

Hi Jim, Yep, I have Kens kit and I am in the prosess of fit testing some parts.
Thought any pictures of the install would help me do it right the first time.
Was interested in the fan situation, my two blade hits the compressor when the belt pulleys are lined up. Was told the plastic six blade fan would clear. Wanted to know the diameter of the fan before I forked out the cash only to find it still wouldn't clear the compressor. The six blade plastic fan is said to cool better, so I hear???

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by CarlG

All your questions answered with a Ken Davis kit! Easy-peasy install!

Hi Carl, I have Ken's kit, looking for all the install pictures I can get to get a better idea of how it all goes together. For me seeing the finished product is a big help. Dyslexic perhaps....?

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by shew01

I met David Dowdy on Facebook (eastern Virginia), and he sent me these picture of his car. 12v is a requirement. I think his car is a Ken Davis unit.







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Thanks for the pictures Shew01, that's just what I'm looking for, will sure help with the install.

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by fredski53

I have a Ken Davis A/C kit in my 30 Victoria. Love it! The only thing "extra" I did was to shorten the Ebrake handle about 4 inches. He supply's a bracket to lower the ebrake handle, but I wanted it lower then his bracket allowed.

Hi Fred, thanks for the reply. How did you shorten your handle 4 inches?
This is just the information I'm looking for, I'm not one to reinvent the wheel.
How about some pictures of your install.

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by Herb Concord Ca

I have a Ken Davis A/C in my Slant town sedan since 2010. Wife says its the best feature in our Model A. Like others said its an easy install. The above picture ARE a Ken Davis kit. I also shorten my E-brake handle by 4", this allows the handle to go under the AC unit in the car. Unless to look at the ammeter, you never know compressor is operating. A great feature is in the morning, we run just the fan to circulate the air in the car, latter when it gets warmer we turn on the compressor.

Hi Herb, thanks for the reply. I have heard nothing but good about Ken's AC, I have his kit and want to do a nice neat install. For me seeing pictures of the finished product is a plus. I will ask you also, how did you shorten you brake handle? Got any pictures to share. What fan are you using?

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by kenparker

If you want a kit to install, Ken Davis Kits is the way to go. If you want to DIY I have lots of pictures of my unit being built and installed. Mine is a Ken Parker "kit' and I built all the brackets and bought parts from Vintage Air. Time consuming but not hard.


Now to answer some of your questions.
6 blade plastic fan gives you the clearance you need. Alternator is mounted on same support bracket as the compressor and operated with a single 5/8" wide belt.

Evaporator gets in the way of the Parking brake handle, thus, the shortening of the handle as mentioned above. Or in my case I changed the angle of the handle to miss the evaporator - no shortening required.
Condenser is mounted under the rear of the vehicle and behind the banjo -easy install, just requires lots of hose to get back there.


I am in the pprocess of inatalling a kit in my Woody now. Will be measuring cutting and runing hoses todday. Will take more pictures as day goes by.

oops, cant send pictures on quick reply. look for pictures is separate post.

Hi Ken, thanks for the reply and pictures. I have Ken's kit and have been fit testing. Pictures really help me to do it right the first time. My two blade fan just hits the compressor and was told the six blade plastic would clear, what is the diameter of the fan, want to make sure it will clear before putting out the cash. How did you change the angle of your handle? Thanks again

[Jim/GA]

Originally Posted by PalAl

Hi Jim, Yep, I have Kens kit and I am in the prosess of fit testing some parts.
Thought any pictures of the install would help me do it right the first time.
Was interested in the fan situation, my two blade hits the compressor when the belt pulleys are lined up. Was told the plastic six blade fan would clear. Wanted to know the diameter of the fan before I forked out the cash only to find it still wouldn't clear the compressor. The six blade plastic fan is said to cool better, so I hear???

Yes, I use the 6-blade fan. It fits.

It comes with a hub that is yellow plated. I sprayed it semi-gloss black and it does not stand out so much, like a sore thumb.

I did as you, test fit each piece multiple times until I was certain how it would look. I told people I had installed that A/C about 6 times by the time I was done.

Have fun!

[Herb Concord Ca]

Hi Pal Al, I shortened mine below where the round part changes to the flattened shape. The rubber boot will cover the weld. You will also need to shorted the release rod inside the handle the same amount.

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by Jim/GA

Yes, I use the 6-blade fan. It fits.

It comes with a hub that is yellow plated. I sprayed it semi-gloss black and it does not stand out so much, like a sore thumb.

I did as you, test fit each piece multiple times until I was certain how it would look. I told people I had installed that A/C about 6 times by the time I was done.

Have fun!

Thanks Jim, I have been told the six blade would work, but like with most things I have to hear it several times before it sinks in. Yes, I'm a bit anal with pulmb, level and neat wiring.
Got rid of a little turn signal rats nest by installing a "neatness" plug

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by Herb Concord Ca

Hi Pal Al, I shortened mine below where the round part changes to the flattened shape. The rubber boot will cover the weld. You will also need to shorted the release rod inside the handle the same amount.

Thanks Herb, I'll keep this in mind and hope I can avoid doing it...lol

[burner31]

AC?
You mean what Model A driver's call "windows"?

[PalAl]

Originally Posted by burner31

AC?
You mean what Model A driver's call "windows"?

Hi Keith, I guess that would depend on the driver, location, and ability
to handle the heat without getting heat stroke. I love the hobby and the people involved in the hobby so AC is a way for me to stay with the Model A group. I have been involved with several car clubs and the "A People" are by far the friendliest, most willing to share information, understand needs of others and are always willing to help. But like anything else.... there is always one

[CarlG]

Before I bought my A/C kit from Ken Davis, I heard this scenario about shortening the parking brake lever. So, I bought a good used original in anticipation that I would need to shorten the lever and I did not want to be without one while the modification was being made.

Well, after I got everything, Ken's kit came with suitable brackets to alter the angle of the lever so that shortening was not necessary. I then found out (at that time anyway) that the only levers that had been shortened were the 28-29 levers that were positioned forward of the transmission shift lever, not like my '31 that is off to the right side of the shift lever.

Everything works as it should using the extra hardware that Ken supplies in his kit.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by PalAl

Hi Keith, I guess that would depend on the driver, location, and ability to handle the heat without getting heat stroke. I love the hobby and the people involved in the hobby so AC is a way for me to stay with the Model A group. I have been involved with several car clubs and the "A People" are by far the friendliest, most willing to share information, understand needs of others and are always willing to help. But like anything else.... there is always one

The irony in this is, when you compare the demographics of Model-A people to Model-T people, the T people that I see on tours seems to be the same age, -or even a tad older than the Model-A people, ...and I just don't remember the last time that I saw a Model-T on a tour equipped with Air Conditioning.

FWIW, the two hottest antique car tours that I have been on was the MTFCI Meet in Rochester, MN, ...and the joint meet held in Dallas. If I recall correctly, the heat index for the Rochester meet was like 112°. I don't know about Dallas but it was hot as 'Hades' there too. The difference that I remember is on the Rochester tour, a bunch of old people drove approximately 100 miles each day without A/C.

[burner31]

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Originally Posted by PalAl

Hi Keith, I guess that would depend on the driver, location, and ability
to handle the heat without getting heat stroke. I love the hobby and the people involved in the hobby so AC is a way for me to stay with the Model A group. I have been involved with several car clubs and the "A People" are by far the friendliest, most willing to share information, understand needs of others and are always willing to help. But like anything else.... there is always one

No disrespect, it's just my sense of humor, I know several that have AC and I give them the same razz.
Enjoying YOUR car is the name of the game.

[kenparker]

You can razz me for my AC all you want. Bottom line - I'm cool, u r not.

[Jordan]

Originally Posted by kenparker

You can razz me for my AC all you want. Bottom line - I'm cool, u r not.

That's about how I feel about it too. If there were a kit being made for a stock Model T, I bet some Model T people would buy it too.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by Jordan

That's about how I feel about it too. If there were a kit being made for a stock Model T, I bet some Model T people would buy it too.

Team up with Ken and offer them to the T guys.

[kenparker]

Thanks for the confidence, Brent, but, i dont want to get into the kit business any more. For transmissions, AC for Model T's or even Studebakers. I am getting lazy in my senior years. ken

[DBSHELTON]

I might consider A/C if I could keep my 6v system.

[CarlG]

Back in "the day", they made A/C for 6 volt systems. My dad had one in a 6 volt Volkswagen.

However, when I went to install one in my '54 Ford, (in about 1960) they had quit making them in 6 volt, had to go 12 volt or not at all.