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Old 06-07-2021, 07:19 PM   #1
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I want to paint my car Andalisite blue so I took the NEW paint and finish guide to my PPG dealer to scan the colour chip. They look for the closest match to a more modern car’s colour. The only one that came up was a 2005 Mitsubishi dark grey but it was not a high percentage match. They mixed a small amount for me anyways and it actually looks pretty close to the chip in the book, but is kind of “muddy” looking, not quite what I want.

A friend has a car painted Andalusite blue, which I really like, and matched his paint to an old supply of Ditzler lacquer applied to a test card which he still has. He had it scanned and found to match 1977 Ford Midnight Blue. It is nowhere near the sample colour in the paint and finish guide, which kind of baffles me because the guide was supposed to be matched to original Ford samples. I know lacquer has changed since 1930 so perhaps that accounts for the difference, but it really is dramatically different.

I will probably try to get that shade if they can formulate it in a low VOC paint (he used DCC single stage urethane and I will have to use Shopline).

Before I commit I’m wondering if anybody else has found a match for this colour in a modern car’s paint formula? In the archives I saw that somebody found a Mercedes midnight blue that was found to match Andalusite. Any others?
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My understanding of andalusite blue is it's one of those
Ford "almost black" colors that you need bright sunlight to see the blue.

Can't they still mix any tone you provide a sample of? I have another car (1990 Eclipse) I'll be painting and I'll want a few notches towards red from the factory slightly maroon color.
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You have picture of your friends car????


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My 29 Tudor was painted with a Ditzler acrylic lacquer Andalusite blue in 1980 and still holds its beautiful color. In shade it looks blue and/or almost black, in direct sunshine it shows a kind of lavender rose undertone on highlights. I still have a can and a half left over, which is still good and I can still use it for very minor touchups. The only readable note written one one can is "121". It does not even come close to the color shown in tinkirk’s brother-in-law’s roadster. This was matched to an original spot on an inside part of the car.
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I believe roadster is Washington and riviera blues
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Yes. Could have been Andalusite too, though.
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Try TCP global they have all the old formulas
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Before I commit I’m wondering if anybody else has found a match for this colour in a modern car’s paint formula? In the archives I saw that somebody found a Mercedes midnight blue that was found to match Andalusite. Any others?

I have the formula for Andalusite in PPG's DCC Concept line. We just sprayed a 40A body in it last week, so I know it is an accurate formula. With that said, if you are using a PPG Jobber, simply have your store contact PPG's library in Ohio (-call their Tech support and they will transfer them to that department) and they will give them the formula to mix it in whatever line PPG produces. Don't settle for anything less or factory pack color.
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This is my 30' Sport Coupe painted last year with Andalusite
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Old 06-09-2021, 10:49 PM   #11
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Here is an update.

My friend confirmed that his test sample was nitrocellulose lacquer, Ditzler #121. I took it back into the PPG paint jobber, along with the info on his left-over paint label and they confirmed that it matched Ford Midnight Blue, PPG #15282. Brent, is that the same number you are using? In their computer, it was listed for 1928 - 1936 Fords, which is strange. Also, when the jobber called PPG support on my first visit, they could only provide a mixture formula for Andalusite Blue in water based paint, which doesn't translate to solvent based apparently. Brent, you must have had better luck with them.

I had a small amount mixed up in JTX single stage urethane (we can't use Concept here because of the high VOC) and sprayed my own test sample and it looks perfect. In outdoor light it seems to match the old paint and finish guide chips quite close, but not the new one at all. I tried to take a photo to show the comparison but too much reflection for a clear picture.

I checked paintref.com and autocolorlibrary.com and found there are a number of variations in names for the same Midnight Blue code (3G), but when I asked my jobber to check these, they appeared to be metallic paint. However, when I searched for PPG #15282 on paintref.com it shows 1979-80 Ford Fiesta Midnight Blue, Ford code X9 and X0.

Anyways, I am now happy that I have the right colour - for me at least, and hopefully the above information will help others wanting to use this colour.
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I got the PPG Envirobase formula, base-clear for Andulusite Blue, from PPG, and had it shot out with 3 minor variations, pulling out a bit of the black and crimson pigments. Under most lighting conditions, you would be hard pressed to tell one sprayout from the other. But PPG still has the old formulas adapted to modern paints.





I love the color, and it is what was on it when my father purchased the cabriolet new in late 1929. As you can see, the light conditions really affect the color you see.
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Here is an update.

My friend confirmed that his test sample was nitrocellulose lacquer, Ditzler #121. I took it back into the PPG paint jobber, along with the info on his left-over paint label and they confirmed that it matched Ford Midnight Blue, PPG #15282. Brent, is that the same number you are using? In their computer, it was listed for 1928 - 1936 Fords, which is strange. Also, when the jobber called PPG support on my first visit, they could only provide a mixture formula for Andalusite Blue in water based paint, which doesn't translate to solvent based apparently. Brent, you must have had better luck with them.

I had a small amount mixed up in JTX single stage urethane (we can't use Concept here because of the high VOC) and sprayed my own test sample and it looks perfect. In outdoor light it seems to match the old paint and finish guide chips quite close, but not the new one at all. I tried to take a photo to show the comparison but too much reflection for a clear picture.

I checked paintref.com and autocolorlibrary.com and found there are a number of variations in names for the same Midnight Blue code (3G), but when I asked my jobber to check these, they appeared to be metallic paint. However, when I searched for PPG #15282 on paintref.com it shows 1979-80 Ford Fiesta Midnight Blue, Ford code X9 and X0.

Anyways, I am now happy that I have the right colour - for me at least, and hopefully the above information will help others wanting to use this colour.
The Ditzler 121 would indicate it is the same color I used on my Tudor in 1980, just different chemistry.
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The color of the roadster seems far too light to me to be Andalusite blue.

When I had paint mixed for my car, the shop got the best match to the Andalusite Blue color chip in the book with a SAAB color named "Embassy Blue" That color was sufficiently close such that the expert at the shop could tweak the formula manually to the point where I was not able to tell the difference to the color chip.
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A PPG dealer should be able to use the code IM121 for Andalusite Blue. My grandparents had our car painted at *cough* Maaco and they were able to get a really good match on Andalusite.
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MAACO can do very nice work if you are willing to do a lot of the prep work, or pay them to do it. I had a small side business working up cars for a good paint job and had Maaco, and other, "quick" shops shoot the sealer and color. I think I got extra nice jobs because they liked them sitting out front as a kind of advertising. The money you're spending or saving will be in the prep.
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I got the PPG Envirobase formula, base-clear for Andulusite Blue, from PPG, and had it shot out with 3 minor variations, pulling out a bit of the black and crimson pigments. Under most lighting conditions, you would be hard pressed to tell one sprayout from the other. But PPG still has the old formulas adapted to modern paints.





I love the color, and it is what was on it when my father purchased the cabriolet new in late 1929. As you can see, the light conditions really affect the color you see.

I love that paint too! Nice car.


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My 1929 Tudor was recently painted using PPG’s Deltron. Calling PPG, at first I received the IM 121 formula being water based. On my request PPG actually regenerated this formula to solvent based. I have both formulas if you need them.
And indeed, Mercedes Midnight Blue comes very close. I also have that for emergencies.
DO ! Spray a dark gray primer. DO NOT use red primer, it will make the Andalusite Blue look a little red when in the dull sunshine.
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BTW, a paint chip does not have sufficient surface for the paint shop to scan properly.
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Somewhere in the myriad of all this I read that a new paint guide is out or coming out that has larger chips that can be “read” by spectrometers

Checked MAFCA store and says larger chip samples in new revision is available

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Car in post #4 looks like electric blue.
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brother in-law wanted Washington Blue, but then decided it was to dark so they started tweaking the color and, this is what he came up with
I think it turned out good
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@Oldbluoval, yes there is a new paint guide. It does have larger paint sample chips. I got mine from MAFCA.
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I think it turned out good
Whatever colour it is, it's looking good.
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Looks like '78 Maverick "Hulla Blue". (Cute. )
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I would like to paint my roadster this color, I am thinking about using TCP acrylic enamel. I want this to be as dark as possible. Should I use a black sealer?
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No need if you use a good quality paint that has plenty pigment.
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Using black sealer won't make the color any darker, it will save you a little paint as opposed to using something light.
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You might want to try this place. I know it is not a 1930's color, but they perfectly matched my 1953 Mercury Yosemite Yellow, with the original formulas, they have in their library.

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Brent-what paint do you like to use?
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PPG DCC 'Concept' line.
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Hello, I had a 1930 standard roadster that was Andalusite Blue , and it was almost black,the blue was noticeable in bright sunlight. I am not to surprised color chips don’t match.Paint has changed so much over the years.
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I would also say the roadster in 1 st picture is Washington blue riviera blue combination, a 30 31 Deluxe color. Andalusite blue is much darker also is one solid color, belt molding is also the dark blue, pinstripes could be French gray or red depending on month of manufacturing.
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Yeap, I have been to Maaco and I really good experience. At their shop, they rely on manufacturers' paint codes as a starting point, then they do spray panel testing, and finally, they rely on our own experience to produce a perfect match. If you choose Maaco or any other reputable shop, your paint will match. I was just thinking of starting a similar car painting business in Washington city somewhere. As Maaco paint jobs range anywhere from $300-$1000 depending on the size of the vehicle and bodywork needed. So, I do show interest to start a car painting business but it seems like I just need help to set up it so I need to hire a Washington SOS agent to do so for me.
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Not a question on the paint colour but your afitar. I remember the flying red horse from the 50's when I was a kid then. I always had in mind it was a Mobil Old emblem. I recently read it was emblem of another auto supplier. Do fill me in. Thanks, gary.
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The post in #4 is not even close and is not a Model A original color. Even taking into account lighting and cameras it is way off. Andalusite blue is very very dark looking black until sunlight hits it. The deck lid above looks more like Lombard blue which was a late 30-31 color. My tudor is painted that with lacquer I did in 1982 and it still looks great today and is a beautiful color.

I don’t know about matching the “new” chip but I can tell you the colors above are NOT correct for andalusite blue. Colors get muddied a lot and it’s hard to get modern day paint folks to really match well and give a crap about doing it well unfortunately. They just want to move onto the next customer and not go through the effort of being a professional in the industry and trying to match for the customer . Just my nickels worth.

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Hello I recall working in a body shop back in early 80,s and doing repair work on a Ford Friesta because fellow worker said it was black, checking the code and also moving it out side , it was a dark blue. Also had a 1930 Standard roadster at that time, thinking how close of a color match it was .The roadster was done in IM 121 Ditzler lacquer. now unavailable.The roadster looked the same way in dark almost black, the blue cast was more noticeable in bright sunlight.
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#4. Washington and Riviera Blue??
Looks closest to that to me
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Andalusite blue Would be a Standard roadster color for 1930 , it is not two tone the blue is also the upper body color,first had a French gray pinstripes that was later changed to red.It was replaced later in the year by Lombard blue upper and lower body with Hessian blue stripes.A Deluxe roadster would use the Washington blue,Riviera on moldings with Tacoma cream pinstripes and wheels, being a Deluxe.in 1931 only four colors were available,Black,Brewster green,Stone Brown and the Washington blue. I am refinishing my 31 Deluxe and probably go with Black with Apple �� green wheels and stripes
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Washington Blue??? See if your friend will let you take his dash panel to the paint supply store. Don't go on Monday or Friday. Go on a Tuesday afternoon o\r some time where they are less busy, so they can spend the time to get it right.
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I bet that color will look great with straw painted wheels.
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I was very fortunate to have FB member Hazelhoff (see earlier post page 1) forward me current codes to have my auto shop recreate the Andalusite Blue. Truly satisfied with the result. When the sun hits the car, the colour "pops"!

I also wonder if the original Red-Oxide bondorizer used by Ford would also have contributed to the "blueness"?
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Old 05-30-2022, 09:13 AM   #46
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Hello again, I am glad you got a color match on your car, as I said in a previous post I had a 30 Standard roadster, this was back in the 1980s and lacquer paint was common. Andalusite Blue was happy with that color, seems most restoration go with the stone brown if correct or not.The blue cast was noticeable in bright sunlight, looked good with black top and interior.
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Old 05-30-2022, 02:18 PM   #47
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I have the PPG formulas for waterbased as well as colvent based. Just let me know wheather you need them.
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