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Lenny Bruce · 03-16-2023, 05:32 AM

Hello all! I would like to remove my oil pan on our ‘30 Tudor clean it out really good seeing we don’t know when and if it has ever been done. My confusion is Les Andrews Red book says place the oil pump back into the block a small Jack placed between the frame and the block with a 1/4 inch rod inserted to the side plug hole will aid in holding it in place. My question is how is the Jack and the 1/4 inch rod not in my way when reinstalled the oil pan? I guess I can’t picture it in my mind. Would anyone have any pictures by chance? Thanks fellas…..

Jim/GA · 03-16-2023, 06:11 AM

Get one of these little fellows. Insert it into the side of the block, where there is now a small pipe plug, and run the screw in to hold the oil pump in while you remove the pan. You also use it to install the oil pan. Once the pan is in, remove this little holder and reinstall the plug.

https://www.brattons.com/OIL-PUMP-HO...ductinfo/9895/

Lenny Bruce · 03-16-2023, 06:25 AM

Ahhhh thanks Jim that will make life MUCH EASIER!!!!
Really appreciate it!!!

J Franklin · 03-16-2023, 11:32 AM

A slip of paper between the side of the pump and the block as a wedge is what I use to hold the pump in place.

81ls1camaro · 03-16-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny Bruce

Ahhhh thanks Jim that will make life MUCH EASIER!!!!
Really appreciate it!!!

Its just a little pipe plug drilled and taped for a small screw if you want to make one. I did buy one made myself, but would easily be made at home.

Bob Bidonde · 03-17-2023, 10:07 AM

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This story is of a tragedy with an oil pump installation. Many moons ago, I had a Model "A" engine rebuilt by an experienced shop. It was a year or two later when I put the car on the road, and the engine ran fine around town. Then I drove the car on the highway, and after a mile or two, the engine started to clatter and knock. When I drove it slow, it was quiet running. Later on I dropped the oil pan, and to my horror, I found the oil pump was tied into position with clothesline. The clothesline disintegrated and clogged the oil pump screen. By the time I found the problem, the shop was out of business.

Flathead · 03-17-2023, 10:55 AM

Jeez, wonder why they went out of business??

Terry, NJ · 03-18-2023, 02:55 PM

Lenny, Don't forget to open the port at the top of the pump (where the oil flows out to the engine from) to 7/32 (.218) if it is not out to this size already. Early ones seem to be a little smaller, later ones are a little larger. Make sure that it is thoroughly clean of all chips afterwards. Good Luck !
Terry

Lenny Bruce · 03-18-2023, 05:17 PM

Great to know thank you Terry!!

mshmodela · 03-19-2023, 03:23 PM

My block has no such hole.. any suggestions?

J Franklin · 03-20-2023, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mshmodela

My block has no such hole.. any suggestions?

Reference was a hole in the pump body.

ModelAMitch · 03-20-2023, 01:01 PM

You could get a small bolt with the same thread size (bring the plug with you to the hardware store) and use it to temporarily hold the pump in place.

katy · 03-23-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ModelAMitch

You could get a small bolt with the same thread size (bring the plug with you to the hardware store) and use it to temporarily hold the pump in place.

The plug thread size is 1/8"NPT, bolts don't come w/that size thread.

JayJay · 03-23-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ModelAMitch

You could get a small bolt with the same thread size (bring the plug with you to the hardware store) and use it to temporarily hold the pump in place.

Be careful. The hole in the side of the block is 1/8"NPT, which is a 27 TPI. A 1/4-28 TPI might seem to fit but the thread pitch is slightly different and you will bugger up the block. Either buy one of the aftermarket gizmos referenced above (I did) or make your own by drilling and tapping a 1/8" NPT pipe plug.

JayJay

J Franklin · 03-23-2023, 03:38 PM

Buy the tool.

03-16-2023, 05:32 AM	#1
Lenny Bruce Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 284	Oil pump Hello all! I would like to remove my oil pan on our ‘30 Tudor clean it out really good seeing we don’t know when and if it has ever been done. My confusion is Les Andrews Red book says place the oil pump back into the block a small Jack placed between the frame and the block with a 1/4 inch rod inserted to the side plug hole will aid in holding it in place. My question is how is the Jack and the 1/4 inch rod not in my way when reinstalled the oil pan? I guess I can’t picture it in my mind. Would anyone have any pictures by chance? Thanks fellas…..

03-16-2023, 06:11 AM	#2
Jim/GA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Young Harris, GA Posts: 1,821	Re: Oil pump Get one of these little fellows. Insert it into the side of the block, where there is now a small pipe plug, and run the screw in to hold the oil pump in while you remove the pan. You also use it to install the oil pan. Once the pan is in, remove this little holder and reinstall the plug. https://www.brattons.com/OIL-PUMP-HO...ductinfo/9895/ __________________ Jim Cannon Former MAFCA Technical Director "Have a Model A day!"

03-16-2023, 06:25 AM	#3
Lenny Bruce Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 284	Re: Oil pump Ahhhh thanks Jim that will make life MUCH EASIER!!!! Really appreciate it!!!

03-16-2023, 11:32 AM	#4
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: Oil pump A slip of paper between the side of the pump and the block as a wedge is what I use to hold the pump in place.

03-17-2023, 10:07 AM	#6
Bob Bidonde Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 3,470	Re: Oil pump Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) This story is of a tragedy with an oil pump installation. Many moons ago, I had a Model "A" engine rebuilt by an experienced shop. It was a year or two later when I put the car on the road, and the engine ran fine around town. Then I drove the car on the highway, and after a mile or two, the engine started to clatter and knock. When I drove it slow, it was quiet running. Later on I dropped the oil pan, and to my horror, I found the oil pump was tied into position with clothesline. The clothesline disintegrated and clogged the oil pump screen. By the time I found the problem, the shop was out of business. __________________ Bob Bidonde

03-17-2023, 10:55 AM	#7
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,499	Re: Oil pump Jeez, wonder why they went out of business??

03-18-2023, 02:55 PM	#8
Terry, NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks Co, Pa Posts: 3,740	Re: Oil pump Lenny, Don't forget to open the port at the top of the pump (where the oil flows out to the engine from) to 7/32 (.218) if it is not out to this size already. Early ones seem to be a little smaller, later ones are a little larger. Make sure that it is thoroughly clean of all chips afterwards. Good Luck ! Terry

03-18-2023, 05:17 PM	#9
Lenny Bruce Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 284	Re: Oil pump Great to know thank you Terry!!

03-19-2023, 03:23 PM	#10
mshmodela Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,763	Re: Oil pump My block has no such hole.. any suggestions? __________________ -Mike Late 31' Ford Model A Tudor, Miss Daisy I don't work on cars --I'm learning about my Model A. Cleveland, Ohio

03-20-2023, 01:01 PM	#12
ModelAMitch Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Kitchener, Ontario Posts: 72	Re: Oil pump You could get a small bolt with the same thread size (bring the plug with you to the hardware store) and use it to temporarily hold the pump in place.

03-23-2023, 03:38 PM	#15
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,963	Re: Oil pump Buy the tool.