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aman538 · 09-19-2011, 10:34 PM

Is there any way to tell if a muffler is an aries. Is there any ID numbers or ways to ID it as an aries. Not sure if they made a steel muffler.

Jason in TX · 09-19-2011, 10:43 PM

You use a tape measure!

Aries muffler will be 29 1/4 from front seam to back seam on the tapered muffler. Reproductions will be shorter.

The make a steel muffler and a stainless steel muffler.

Tom Wesenberg · 09-19-2011, 11:05 PM

Most of the cheaper aftermarket mufflers have the exhaust pipe size reduced in the first bend, due to the bending process. My Aries is the same diameter over the entire length.

Marco Tahtaras · 09-20-2011, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason in TX

You use a tape measure!

Aries muffler will be 29 1/4 from front seam to back seam on the tapered muffler. Reproductions will be shorter.

The make a steel muffler and a stainless steel muffler.

Jason,

All you need too add is a Ford muffler so folks can see the differences!

Jason in TX · 09-20-2011, 10:59 AM

That photo is from the Aries muffler website. Aren't they claiming that they are making mufflers from original blueprints?

Do you have a photo with all the dimensions photo shopped into it?

Clem Clement · 09-20-2011, 11:37 AM

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I'm told some yerars back someone took an original NOS muffler and recorded the sounds it made. I wish we could get to hear those sounds again.
Clem

Marco Tahtaras · 09-20-2011, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason in TX

That photo is from the Aries muffler website. Aren't they claiming that they are making mufflers from original blueprints?

Do you have a photo with all the dimensions photo shopped into it?

I should do that. Yes, Joe USED the original prints and the canister section is constructed correctly from a functional standpoint. It is far superior to the other options readily available.

John LaVoy · 09-21-2011, 05:50 AM

A simple way to tell is to inspect the weld along the side of the muffler. The original, and Aries mufflers, have a wide, rather slopppy weld. If you were at the MARC meet in San Diego and saw and heard Ron Rudes special delivery running it has an origial muffler on it.

Marco Tahtaras · 09-21-2011, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John LaVoy

A simple way to tell is to inspect the weld along the side of the muffler. The original, and Aries mufflers, have a wide, rather slopppy weld. If you were at the MARC meet in San Diego and saw and heard Ron Rudes special delivery running it has an origial muffler on it.

Actually the lengthwise seam on original mufflers was a double folded lap seam (for lack of a better description) like the inseam on a pair of blue jeans. The "stitching" was a series of spot welds over it's length.

peters180a/170b · 09-21-2011, 01:21 PM

All i know is i use and always will use ... a ARIES Muffler..for years.

darrylkmc · 09-21-2011, 01:42 PM

Did original Model A Mufflers have an embossed part # A-5230 on them? Attached are some photos of an old muffler that I got a long time ago and is barely holding together. I highlighted the part number with soapstone.
I will try and get some better photos when the sun comes around my way and post them.

Darryl

Tom Wesenberg · 09-21-2011, 02:02 PM

That's a repro. I don't think I have a picture of an original, but there is an original on a very nice 28 Tudor in our club. It does have a large rust hole however.

Ronnie Lawson · 09-22-2011, 06:39 AM

Attachment 55591
The above attachment is from an article that I wrote when I worked for Arvin.
I have a copy of the blue print which was hard to read and I had our drafting department to redraw it.
Ron

Steve Wastler · 09-22-2011, 06:55 AM

I love my steel Aries, fits like a glove, no manifold attachment issues, love the exhaust tones. IMO well worth the money

Ronnie Lawson · 09-22-2011, 06:59 AM

Doc5.pdf
See if you can open this file
Ron

John Duden · 09-22-2011, 07:07 AM

i have a NOS on on my early 28 truck, got it off ebay for $150
John

Barry B./ Ma. · 09-22-2011, 07:18 AM

My coupe has an Aries muffler and my friend says my car doesn't sound like a Model A. All these years he's used to the sound of those cheap repros. What are you gonna do. I love my Aries.

Steve Wastler · 09-22-2011, 08:46 AM

John,
I have not seen an original muffler, let alone a NOS, as I'm sure many of us have not, please post a picture or pictures if you can showing the side seam and bell end features. Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Duden

i have a NOS on on my early 28 truck, got it off ebay for $150
John

MrTube · 09-22-2011, 09:00 AM

Darryl is that muffler sitting on a Chevy tailgate?

RockHillWill · 09-22-2011, 09:44 AM

I believe that the joint that Marco is referring to is the same joint that is used to attach the rear panel to the fender on the the Phaeton style rear fenders.

darrylkmc · 09-22-2011, 10:17 AM

MrTube this is not a Chevy tailgate, it is one of those Good - Chevy's - 1982 GMC.

I have always wondered about the muffler that I posted photos of, mainly the fact that it has a the correct Model A part number.

I think that this one came on my Dads 1931 Pick-up with a 1932 small counterweight Model B Engine, all STD and has steel shims. He bought it in 1975.

Darryl
Fairbanks

Boxcar · 07-29-2021, 05:58 AM

I believe that I have an Aries muffler. I'd sY it's very close to NOS. Unfortunately this site won't take my photos anymore....no idea why. The proportions are matching a reference I've found here...the one that has the 4 example mufflers. Has H3L301 stamped on it. However, as I just measured the welded seam of the tapered canister...it measured 27 1/4......to add more specifics the weld connecting the top bell to the bottom bell. So IF....29 1/4 measured is the original....mine may not be original as I once thought. It's for sale....just saying.

Ruth · 07-29-2021, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxcar

I believe that I have an Aries muffler. I'd sY it's very close to NOS. Unfortunately this site won't take my photos anymore....no idea why. The proportions are matching a reference I've found here...the one that has the 4 example mufflers. Has H3L301 stamped on it. However, as I just measured the welded seam of the tapered canister...it measured 27 1/4......to add more specifics the weld connecting the top bell to the bottom bell. So IF....29 1/4 measured is the original....mine may not be original as I once thought. It's for sale....just saying.

If your muffler measures 27¼" it is not an Aries.

Boxcar · 07-29-2021, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruth

If your muffler measures 27¼" it is not an Aries.

I'll measure the length aft of the muffler....however my confusion is fueled by the fact the shape of mine aft of the muffler is a gradual one like the Aries and not the others. But thanks... search continues. Any comment on the presence of the part number H3L301

ursus · 07-29-2021, 05:11 PM

I believe you have the "$50 Facsimile" depicted by Ruth in post #23, above. These were made and sold by Midas Muffler. That is, up until they probably realized that their lifetime warranty should not be offered to Model A owners (see YouTube video below)

https://youtu.be/mFOWdIPQImk

lmichalak30 · 07-29-2021, 06:58 PM

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Some pictures of original mufflers and comparisons to Aries.
Picture #3 was the seam Marco was referring to.

09-19-2011, 10:34 PM	#1
aman538 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 30	Aries muffler Is there any way to tell if a muffler is an aries. Is there any ID numbers or ways to ID it as an aries. Not sure if they made a steel muffler.

09-20-2011, 10:59 AM	#5
Jason in TX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ⓉⒺXⒶⓈ Posts: 2,047	Re: Aries muffler That photo is from the Aries muffler website. Aren't they claiming that they are making mufflers from original blueprints? Do you have a photo with all the dimensions photo shopped into it? __________________ -------------- Drive it like you know how to fix it! DMAFC / OILERS CC-MC

09-20-2011, 11:37 AM	#6
Clem Clement Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 3,393	Re: Aries muffler Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I'm told some yerars back someone took an original NOS muffler and recorded the sounds it made. I wish we could get to hear those sounds again. Clem

09-21-2011, 05:50 AM	#8
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: Aries muffler A simple way to tell is to inspect the weld along the side of the muffler. The original, and Aries mufflers, have a wide, rather slopppy weld. If you were at the MARC meet in San Diego and saw and heard Ron Rudes special delivery running it has an origial muffler on it.

09-21-2011, 01:21 PM	#10
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: Aries muffler All i know is i use and always will use ... a ARIES Muffler..for years.

09-19-2011, 10:43 PM	#2
Jason in TX Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ⓉⒺXⒶⓈ Posts: 2,047	Re: Aries muffler You use a tape measure! Aries muffler will be 29 1/4 from front seam to back seam on the tapered muffler. Reproductions will be shorter. The make a steel muffler and a stainless steel muffler. __________________ -------------- Drive it like you know how to fix it! DMAFC / OILERS CC-MC

09-19-2011, 11:05 PM	#3
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Aries muffler Most of the cheaper aftermarket mufflers have the exhaust pipe size reduced in the first bend, due to the bending process. My Aries is the same diameter over the entire length.

09-21-2011, 02:02 PM	#12
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Aries muffler That's a repro. I don't think I have a picture of an original, but there is an original on a very nice 28 Tudor in our club. It does have a large rust hole however.

09-22-2011, 06:39 AM	#13
Ronnie Lawson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 158	Re: Aries muffler Attachment 55591 The above attachment is from an article that I wrote when I worked for Arvin. I have a copy of the blue print which was hard to read and I had our drafting department to redraw it. Ron

09-22-2011, 06:55 AM	#14
Steve Wastler Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,987	Re: Aries muffler I love my steel Aries, fits like a glove, no manifold attachment issues, love the exhaust tones. IMO well worth the money

09-22-2011, 06:59 AM	#15
Ronnie Lawson Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Columbus, IN Posts: 158	Re: Aries muffler Doc5.pdf See if you can open this file Ron

09-22-2011, 07:07 AM	#16
John Duden Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,854	Re: Aries muffler i have a NOS on on my early 28 truck, got it off ebay for $150 John

09-22-2011, 07:18 AM	#17
Barry B./ Ma. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southbridge, Ma. Posts: 1,614	Re: Aries muffler My coupe has an Aries muffler and my friend says my car doesn't sound like a Model A. All these years he's used to the sound of those cheap repros. What are you gonna do. I love my Aries.

09-22-2011, 09:00 AM	#19
MrTube Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,471	Re: Aries muffler Darryl is that muffler sitting on a Chevy tailgate?

09-22-2011, 09:44 AM	#20
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: Aries muffler I believe that the joint that Marco is referring to is the same joint that is used to attach the rear panel to the fender on the the Phaeton style rear fenders. __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

09-22-2011, 10:17 AM	#21
darrylkmc Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Posts: 767	Re: Aries muffler MrTube this is not a Chevy tailgate, it is one of those Good - Chevy's - 1982 GMC. I have always wondered about the muffler that I posted photos of, mainly the fact that it has a the correct Model A part number. I think that this one came on my Dads 1931 Pick-up with a 1932 small counterweight Model B Engine, all STD and has steel shims. He bought it in 1975. Darryl Fairbanks Last edited by darrylkmc; 09-22-2011 at 03:33 PM. Reason: I wanted to

07-29-2021, 05:58 AM	#22
Boxcar Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Crestview Florida Posts: 46	Re: Aries muffler I believe that I have an Aries muffler. I'd sY it's very close to NOS. Unfortunately this site won't take my photos anymore....no idea why. The proportions are matching a reference I've found here...the one that has the 4 example mufflers. Has H3L301 stamped on it. However, as I just measured the welded seam of the tapered canister...it measured 27 1/4......to add more specifics the weld connecting the top bell to the bottom bell. So IF....29 1/4 measured is the original....mine may not be original as I once thought. It's for sale....just saying. Last edited by Boxcar; 07-29-2021 at 06:22 AM.

07-29-2021, 05:11 PM	#25
ursus Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,374	Re: Aries muffler I believe you have the "$50 Facsimile" depicted by Ruth in post #23, above. These were made and sold by Midas Muffler. That is, up until they probably realized that their lifetime warranty should not be offered to Model A owners (see YouTube video below) https://youtu.be/mFOWdIPQImk