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Old 11-22-2010, 01:38 AM   #1
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Default repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

I have been warned off the sleeves sold by various parts houses to do this job, so I went to my local bearing supply, and couldnt find an equivalent roller bearing inner sleeve size. the closest I got was a 2 1/16 "dia outer but it is only 1.5" long, not 2 1/4 " as required.

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has anyone used the sleeves available thru Macs, etc? are they properly made and hardened?

If there is anyone who has deciphered a bearing part no. to these parts so i could order a reputable bearing locally,could you let me know it?

Its Kinda hard down here to get this stuff, and ordering just a pair of the sleeves from America gets expensive.
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Old 11-22-2010, 02:06 AM   #2
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

Go to one of the heat treatment places in Melb,ask them to recomed a machine shop to make the sleaves from the type of material they would recomend,have the machine shop turn up the sleaves get them heat treated ,get the machine shop to fit them ,then get them to grind to the original size.
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:19 AM   #3
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

Thanks Lawrie, but that is a very expensive method, compared to finding the correct size, already hardened part and just turning the bearing faces down to a press fit. this is why I want to find if an inner bearing sleeve 2.0625 " OD and 2.250" long exists.The ID isnt as important, but will probably be 1.750" or 1.8125".

Has anyone in the States used the available sleeves, and had good luck with them?
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Old 11-22-2010, 03:57 AM   #4
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

I have just had a pair done like Lawrie suggests, nice job...$600.00 NZ.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:14 AM   #5
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

yep I'd imagine that would be close to what I would pay here..

just trying to get better value for money..This diff will hit close to five grand if Im not savvy here and there..(its a Columbia)
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:15 AM   #6
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I had this done to a '48 rear here in the US. I think it cost me about $400 US with the sleeves (C & G,) annealing (myself,) turning, grinding, pressing on (long threaded rod, myself.) I SHOULD HAVE just swapped the bells left for right which would have put the worn surfaces on the top where there's no load and the good surfaces on the bottom where the load is, but I just couldn't bring myself to that.
PS: Car isn't on the road yet, so I can't say how good they are.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:29 AM   #7
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

Sleeves are listed at about $26-30 each on the various online vintage ford parts sites. I assume they all come from the one supplier.
wish I knew who.. or if they are just a standard catalog bearing part marked up heavily. This is the info I'm digging for.
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Old 11-22-2010, 06:35 AM   #8
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I have used the Mac's journal repair sleeves you asked about. They worked ok. Not a simple job to install. The sleeves were a mile out of round and required some careful study to select a proper diameter to machine housings for the desired press fit. I am also of the opinion the wall is excessively thick which removes more material from the housing than I was happy with. I checked for straight, rough turned with carbide, finished with grinding wheel. If I do any in the future I will make the sleeves, as recommended above, rather than purchase those with the extra-thick wall. I will also do them in one operation in the crankshaft grinding machine rather than a lathe.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:25 AM   #9
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Lawrie, Call Johnny Stooksbury 865-690-7585 eastern standard time. If you can call the US, he is the person to talk to, he is the master Columbia machine shop man. He has told me about having to be careful about where the sleaves come from and I do not remember what he said his source is.
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:42 AM   #10
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John Connelly at Columbia Two Speed Parts did a couple for me. He has his own sleeves made to his specifications:

http://columbiatwospeedparts.com/default.aspx
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:46 AM   #11
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John Connelly at Columbia Two Speed Parts did a couple for me. He has his own sleeves made to his specifications:

http://columbiatwospeedparts.com/default.aspx
I believe the Johnny Stooksbury gets his from John Connelly, too.
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:48 AM   #12
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

About 7 yr's ago I bought sleeves from Snyders Antique Auto for my Model A. I had my crank grinder man do them in his crank grinder and press them on. I don't remember what it cost but wasn't bad. I've put 15K miles on the car, seems fine. Walt
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:35 AM   #13
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

I did this job on my 1946 Lincoln (they have the same size hub, 2 1/16") . I bought the sleeves from Job Lot and had my local machine shop do the job for about $350. My concern was that nearly 1/4" of material has to be removed from the hub to press the sleeve on. I was concerned with the structual integrety of the remaining virgin metal on the hub. The car is nearly finished, but has not been on the road yet.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:30 PM   #14
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

Stupidly I didnt even think to ask John Connelly...of course he would make them himself. his parts are immaculate, I used his stuff to rebuild the Columbia.

Thanks all, It seems from pouring thru online catalogues, the standard bearing inner sleeve I seek isnt actually made, so Ill give John an email.

Thankyou everyone!
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Old 11-22-2010, 05:34 PM   #15
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

I've replaced mine with four sealed ball bearings 2 each side with a spacer between the bearings. Will take pictures of all the parts if anyone is interested in the mod. Much better and more permanent than the original roller bearing set-up.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:27 PM   #16
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

Sounds like some good new zealand ingenuity!

I would love to see this.

did you have to machine the hubs and axles to a stock bearing size?

what was the cost?
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:52 PM   #17
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

We had to:
Turn the axle housings down to the inside diameter of the 2 ball bearings.
Remove the hardened outer bearing from the hub.
Sleeve the hub down to the outside diameter of the ball bearings (very fine sleeve).
Fit two sealed bearings into each hub with spacers between etc.
The bearings, sleeve and spacers are are all held in place with the original hub seal retaining cir-clip. Get the idea?

No modifications to the axle are necessary.

This whole set-up keeps the drum running true and straight with no torsional stress placed on the axle. The engineer who undertook my work found that the alignment on some of the original ford roller bearing centreline to axle taper centreline can be seriously out of alignment and thus cause stress to the axle.

This mod can also make the car so much easier to push around the garage.

It might take a couple of days to get the photos posted, please be patient.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:54 PM   #18
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I like the thinking there.
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Old 11-23-2010, 01:22 AM   #19
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Default Re: repairing rear axle housing bearing races..

I bought Macs sleeves and threw them away and made my ownand had them hardend.
Macs are WAY too thick for a sleeve.
You weaken the axle housing .

I like meric42s Idea a lot !
I will try that the next time.
Better design and storeboight bearrings.
Sounds like a good idea

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Old 11-23-2010, 03:58 AM   #20
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Meric42-

Add my name to the list of Fordbarners who are interested in this approach. If you can give us any relative information such as bearing, sleeve and axle hub diameter numbers you used. This would be very helpful. This seems like an idea that is long overdue!

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