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12-02-2021, 10:14 AM | #21 |
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This is what I use for wheels highway crash barrel, but it would take a lot of vinegar. Thats a hood panel hanging.
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a 55 gallon barrel is 22.5 wide- so is a 21" rim...............
dont think it will work- a lot of incorrect answers......lol- like I said, Brents idea will work. I have the supplies here- just being lazy! |
12-03-2021, 09:36 AM | #26 |
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Yes and no. Wheels are 6" tall laying on a flat surface . . . 2" x 8" lumber (7 1/4" wide) would be needed as a minimum unless you want to wait twice as long per wheel. I would also suggest nailing/screwing a plywood or particle board panel to the bottom of the framework so that you can move it around once the juice is dumped in it. White vinegar was running $4.00 per gallon last week. Last edited by Al Mack; 12-03-2021 at 09:41 AM. |
12-03-2021, 09:59 AM | #27 |
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For one at a time use, I suggest using a burn barrel lid. I have one and it fits over the barrel so it has a larger diameter than the barrel. I bought it at a farm and garden store for around $30.00.
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12-03-2021, 10:19 AM | #28 |
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Try to find a used livestock watering tank.
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12-03-2021, 01:07 PM | #29 |
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I bought vinegar at 1.88 a gallon in the last month on sale. I buy 10 at a time.
Al, plywood can also be used in the framing, thus getting a tight fit and not using far to much vinegar. still find that as the best "fit". saw the kids pools outside at a diff walmart this morning and have to tell you, I'ld need about 30 gallons of vinegar to fill it. the barrel lid sounds like a winner........... |
12-03-2021, 05:11 PM | #30 |
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How about a wheel barrel
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12-04-2021, 12:17 PM | #31 |
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How about a leaf bag?
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12-04-2021, 02:06 PM | #33 |
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that is the one Mister moose that old blue and I spoke about at beg of thread. my thinking was it might be too tight at the bottom because of the taper.
if its 28 at the top- then just maybe it would work. in the meantime, I was walking around my property out back and found an old steel cement tray. the wheel fits in nicely about 24" wide. round might be preferred, but this should due just fine. forgot I had it, because it hasnt been used in maybe 15-20 yrs. will pull the vinegar out of the roadster gas tank next week and reuse it in the tray for a wheel. will give it 30 days and see how it goes. again thanks to everyone. great ideas! |
12-04-2021, 04:00 PM | #34 |
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Ronn, acetic acid (vinegar) reacts with iron and zinc as in steel or galvanized buckets. It also fizzes up in contact with concrete or concrete containers and gives off carbon dioxide. In these cases you are losing much of the effect by neutralizing the acetic acid by dissolving the container. In the case of a concrete container very rapidly. Plastic of any kind seems like a more viable solution to me.
Vinegar reacts more quickly with rust than with bare iron, so an iron container may work ok, though it will be dissolved somewhat with each use SAJ in NZ |
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thank you for the insite SAJ
I never studied chemistry and havent a clue. |
12-04-2021, 07:56 PM | #36 |
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Ronn, almost all acetates are soluble in water, so the iron/vinegar reaction compound will dissolve in the vinegar and any residuals rinse off with water. You then have a "nascent" iron surface which will rust very quickly. So a great thing to do is paint the de-rusted surface with phosphoric acid, or a rust preventive based on Phosphoric acid like Ospho. This forms a skin of iron phosphate, insoluble in water unlike iron acetate, and a great surface for painting, powder coating etc. Even better is to wait for the"nascent" surface to flash-rust, then phosphate it with Ospho etc, since iron oxide rust reacts quicker to form a thicker iron phosphate film than raw iron does .
"Nascent" literally means "at birth" Apologies if you already know all this! SAJ in NZ Last edited by SAJ; 12-04-2021 at 08:13 PM. |
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Ronn,
You are forming iron acetate with the vinegar, which is dilute acetic acid. Metal acetates are soluble in water and so will dissolve in the vinegar solution. Any residues left will Wash off with water. You are then left with a "nascent" (literal meaning "at birth") iron surface, which will flash rust rapidly. So a great thing to do is paint it after the vinegar treatment with phosphoric acid or a phosphoric acid-based product like Ospho. This forms iron phosphate, an insoluble skin which is great for painting or powder coating. You probably know the Model A body steel was treated in this way when made. The flash- rust reacts quicker to form a good phosphate layer than the raw "nascent" iron itself. Chemistry and chemical names simplified in the above! Apologies if you already know all this! SAJ jn NZ |
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Oh no. I thought I lost the original, so wrote it all again.
At least I didn't shout! SAJ in NZ |
12-05-2021, 04:04 PM | #39 |
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well SAJ, you got me to read it 2x and I needed to. makes good sense. thanks!
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12-05-2021, 04:37 PM | #40 |
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Re: ideas on a cheap wash tub?
This is the tub I made to soak some rims for another old car project in vinegar. There was a leftover 10" cardboard concrete tube form that I cut and spliced with glue to make a hoop about 24" diameter, then made a box with some old boards to make sure the hoop would not collapse when full of liquid. 2 Brake drums stacked in the center reduced the volume needed to fill it. 4 gallons of vinegar at $1.58 each diluted to 50% was enough to fill it. A sheet of cardboard underneath helps protect the plastic sheet from puncture, and I am careful when putting a rim in since this is 3.5 mil sheet.
Last time I made one of these cheap bathtubs it was sized to hold sheetmetal hood pieces, and when those were done, I transferred the liquid in a plastic garbage can and de-rusted everything that would fit. The tub only has to last until all the parts are done, then gets dismantled. I would like to try using molasses, but there are nasty little stinky ants around here that would probably find it attractive and have a population explosion. Kevin |
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