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46mercury · 11-09-2017, 10:55 AM

hey guys i am in the process of building a Mercinstine of a truck it started as a 46 mercury and i have placed the body on a 01 f350 frame and running gear with a 7.3L diesel

my question is can i use the factory 46 fuel gauge with a modern sending unit?

i have wired a voltage reducer inline with my twelve volt power to only allow 6V to the gauge ...

if i tap the power to the gauge momentarily it dose move so i know it should work ..

Seth Swoboda · 11-09-2017, 10:59 AM

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Dave Castle · 11-09-2017, 11:04 AM

So we can not lend a helping hand to a fellow enthusiast just because he is going a different direction than we might, really !

Vintage Copper 47 · 11-09-2017, 11:07 AM

Yup... street rods are BAD!

Seth Swoboda · 11-09-2017, 11:26 AM

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tubman · 11-09-2017, 11:47 AM

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To answer the O/P's question about the fuel gauge. No, it won't work.. I'm no expert on pre-49 cars, but I believe the '46's used King-Seeley type gauges. They work in a completely different manner than modern gauges. You can leave now and find a more appropriate forum. It will be in everyones best interest.

Dave Castle · 11-09-2017, 12:31 PM

Ya, let's not share any of our knowledge with anyone unless they are vetted first, must be a card carrying "Stock " Ford restorer !!! That way when we all pass, all the knowledge goes with us !!!

skidmarks · 11-09-2017, 01:00 PM

Wow, for a moment i thought i was on the hamb.

rotorwrench · 11-09-2017, 06:38 PM

The boss makes the rules and they are posted first in line. The HAMB is for the hot rod crowd and this forum is mainly for the more stock types with mild improvements for driveability. Plenty of hot rodders frequent this sight but most also frequent the HAMB. The information that was asked for was dealing with stock components so that is appropriate in my way of thinking.

No modern senders are calibrated to work with the old King Seeley systems. A person would have to use a King Seeley sender and drop the input voltage to the circuit but it should work OK in that respect. A modern gauge could be substituted if a person is careful with the gauge cluster when disassembling and fabricating for a good fit.

I assume this is a Canadian Mercury truck cab going on a later model frame but it was not really made apparent by the author of the thread. If it's a Mercury car then it would likely fit the Mercenstein description better.

RKS.PA · 11-09-2017, 08:06 PM

OK, guys, we know he needs an auxiliary fuel gauge in his under the dash cluster, so the answer is "No, not your best option, so ignore that and move on to what the heck are you trying to create here....but we support your effort completely!!!" (What the Hell!!)....and right on Seth....probably we're not the best resource to tap!!! (We are, however, a legend in our alleged minds.!!)

46mercury · 11-09-2017, 08:57 PM

sorry i asked this complicated question...

someone had referred me to this forum from another ford forum regarding questions about my gauge

but for sure i won't bother anyone else on here again
was asking questions regarding a gauge from a 46 mercury truck

FortyNiner · 11-09-2017, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46mercury

sorry i asked this complicated question...

someone had referred me to this forum from another ford forum regarding questions about my gauge

but for sure i won't bother anyone else on here again
was asking questions regarding a gauge from a 46 mercury truck

What a sorry couple of responses on this thread. Goodness, some of us are too concerned with 'rules' to bother READING the original question before enforcing some sort of ritual rejection of anything not meeting purity standards.

Kudos to all that insisted on rising above.

46mercury, apologies on behalf of the forum. We'll try to be better next time if you give us another chance.

Dave Castle · 11-09-2017, 10:20 PM

Thank you, my feelings exactly !!

Graeme / New Zealand · 11-10-2017, 01:18 AM

Thanks Forty Niner for stepping in....I was just trying to catch my breath as I was quite frankly "floored" by those responses. A simple answer to the question could have avoided perhaps creating the image in 46mercury's mind that we "Barners" are just a bunch of "whip dicks."

GB

dwick01 · 11-10-2017, 05:43 AM

Completely agree GB.

outlaw · 11-10-2017, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwick01

completely agree gb.

x2.

tubman · 11-10-2017, 11:48 AM

I stand by my response. The remark about finding another forum was made in all seriousness. It may sound like a barb, but it wasn't meant to be.

FortyNiner · 11-10-2017, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46mercury

hey guys i am in the process of building a truck it started as a 46 mercury. [Edited to make a point]

my question is can i use the factory 46 fuel gauge with a modern sending unit?

i have wired a voltage reducer inline with my twelve volt power to only allow 6V to the gauge ...

if i tap the power to the gauge momentarily it dose move so i know it should work ..

Yup, because many other forums would have a wealth of experience matching '46 fuel guages with a new sending unit. You know, the type of sending unit one might be forced to use if your original unit was non-functional.

Chasing away new members can only result is a lesser future for us all.

Karl Wolf · 11-10-2017, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 46mercury

sorry i asked this complicated question...

someone had referred me to this forum from another ford forum regarding questions about my gauge

but for sure i won't bother anyone else on here again
was asking questions regarding a gauge from a 46 mercury truck

I support your being on here and believe that I can support peoples opinions that are different from my own regarding the direction of their hobby interests.

Sorry I don't have any useful info on your question.

Karl

Dave Castle · 11-11-2017, 12:29 PM

I did not mean to get everyone's panties in a bunch, I just thought if we have the knowledge, why not share it, no matter what they r building. I love to talk shop with anyone who will listen !

11-09-2017, 10:55 AM	#1
46mercury Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 2	46 mercury hey guys i am in the process of building a Mercinstine of a truck it started as a 46 mercury and i have placed the body on a 01 f350 frame and running gear with a 7.3L diesel my question is can i use the factory 46 fuel gauge with a modern sending unit? i have wired a voltage reducer inline with my twelve volt power to only allow 6V to the gauge ... if i tap the power to the gauge momentarily it dose move so i know it should work ..

11-09-2017, 10:59 AM	#2
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,795	Re: 46 mercury ... Last edited by Seth Swoboda; 11-10-2017 at 12:58 PM.

11-09-2017, 11:04 AM	#3
Dave Castle Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 269	Re: 46 mercury So we can not lend a helping hand to a fellow enthusiast just because he is going a different direction than we might, really !

11-09-2017, 11:07 AM	#4
Vintage Copper 47 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: The sleepy San Fernando Valley Posts: 394	Re: 46 mercury Yup... street rods are BAD! __________________ WALT "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". "Old enough for the experience & too young to know better"

11-09-2017, 11:26 AM	#5
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,795	Re: 46 mercury ... Last edited by Seth Swoboda; 11-10-2017 at 12:59 PM.

11-09-2017, 11:47 AM	#6
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: 46 mercury Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) To answer the O/P's question about the fuel gauge. No, it won't work.. I'm no expert on pre-49 cars, but I believe the '46's used King-Seeley type gauges. They work in a completely different manner than modern gauges. You can leave now and find a more appropriate forum. It will be in everyones best interest.

11-09-2017, 12:31 PM	#7
Dave Castle Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 269	Re: 46 mercury Ya, let's not share any of our knowledge with anyone unless they are vetted first, must be a card carrying "Stock " Ford restorer !!! That way when we all pass, all the knowledge goes with us !!!

11-09-2017, 01:00 PM	#8
skidmarks Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: newark, delaware Posts: 3,735	Re: 46 mercury Wow, for a moment i thought i was on the hamb.

11-09-2017, 06:38 PM	#9
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,440	Re: 46 mercury The boss makes the rules and they are posted first in line. The HAMB is for the hot rod crowd and this forum is mainly for the more stock types with mild improvements for driveability. Plenty of hot rodders frequent this sight but most also frequent the HAMB. The information that was asked for was dealing with stock components so that is appropriate in my way of thinking. No modern senders are calibrated to work with the old King Seeley systems. A person would have to use a King Seeley sender and drop the input voltage to the circuit but it should work OK in that respect. A modern gauge could be substituted if a person is careful with the gauge cluster when disassembling and fabricating for a good fit. I assume this is a Canadian Mercury truck cab going on a later model frame but it was not really made apparent by the author of the thread. If it's a Mercury car then it would likely fit the Mercenstein description better. Last edited by rotorwrench; 11-09-2017 at 06:45 PM.

11-09-2017, 08:06 PM	#10
RKS.PA Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Marana, AZ Posts: 1,194	Re: 46 mercury OK, guys, we know he needs an auxiliary fuel gauge in his under the dash cluster, so the answer is "No, not your best option, so ignore that and move on to what the heck are you trying to create here....but we support your effort completely!!!" (What the Hell!!)....and right on Seth....probably we're not the best resource to tap!!! (We are, however, a legend in our alleged minds.!!)

11-09-2017, 08:57 PM	#11
46mercury Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 2	Re: 46 mercury sorry i asked this complicated question... someone had referred me to this forum from another ford forum regarding questions about my gauge but for sure i won't bother anyone else on here again was asking questions regarding a gauge from a 46 mercury truck

11-09-2017, 10:20 PM	#13
Dave Castle Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 269	Re: 46 mercury Thank you, my feelings exactly !!

11-10-2017, 01:18 AM	#14
Graeme / New Zealand Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lower Hutt , New Zealand Posts: 2,126	Re: 46 mercury Thanks Forty Niner for stepping in....I was just trying to catch my breath as I was quite frankly "floored" by those responses. A simple answer to the question could have avoided perhaps creating the image in 46mercury's mind that we "Barners" are just a bunch of "whip dicks." GB __________________ "you can't make honey out of dog sh*t" "You're a long time looking at the lid"

11-10-2017, 05:43 AM	#15
dwick01 Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Wellington, Kansas Posts: 444	Re: 46 mercury Completely agree GB.

11-10-2017, 11:48 AM	#17
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,320	Re: 46 mercury I stand by my response. The remark about finding another forum was made in all seriousness. It may sound like a barb, but it wasn't meant to be.

11-11-2017, 12:29 PM	#20
Dave Castle Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Carmel, Ca Posts: 269	Re: 46 mercury I did not mean to get everyone's panties in a bunch, I just thought if we have the knowledge, why not share it, no matter what they r building. I love to talk shop with anyone who will listen !