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gayle marlowe · 08-30-2021, 03:37 PM

Back again for more excellent advice!!
My 38 has the wide 5 wheels. 5 on 10 1/2.
Does anybody know a way to balance these ?
Went to Discount Tire and they say no.
My local guys say these old units don't need it, but mine seems to feel as tho it wants a balance job.
I there an adapter available to go down to a small center hole?
Thanks

Kube · 08-30-2021, 04:06 PM

These old wheels probably require a balance more than modern wheels. There are adapters available. Speedway used to sell one but am not certain if they still do.

supereal · 08-30-2021, 04:07 PM

At our shop we use a wide circle drum and hub to mount the wheels to fit our balancer. If you don't have any, one of the front drums will work depending on the type of equipment used.

Bursonaw · 08-30-2021, 04:13 PM

Yes you can balance the wheels. You have a few options.

You can run Dynabeads in your tires.
http://dynabeads.samsauto-online.com/

You can use a wheel adapter that will fit on the tire balancer.
https://www.a1racing.com/A1_Racing_P..._Adapters.aspx

Or if you can find a place that works on Old Volkswagens, they used wide Five Wheels.

Hope this helps.

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ford38v8 · 08-30-2021, 04:21 PM

Gayle, your local guy is an idiot. An out of balance tire will bounce your eyeballs out at highway speed. He must think old cars are only for parades.

There are several ways to balance a wide five. The simplest and best way these days is an adapter from Speedway Motors. Of several available, this one is cheapest and has the studs you need. Importantly, the adapter must be balanced alone prior to balancing your wheel.

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wide-...ern,29220.html

Kube · 08-30-2021, 04:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Gayle, your local guy is an idiot. An out of balance tire will bounce your eyeballs out at highway speed. He must think old cars are only for parades.

There are several ways to balance a wide five. The simplest and best way these days is an adapter from Speedway Motors. Of several available, this one is cheapest and has the studs you need. Importantly, the adapter must be balanced alone prior to balancing your wheel.

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wide-...ern,29220.html

Truer words never spoken...

51 MERC-CT · 08-30-2021, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bursonaw

Yes you can balance the wheels. You have a few options.

You can run Dynabeads in your tires.
http://dynabeads.samsauto-online.com/

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Got to give a thumbs up for 'Dynabeads'.
They took care of a balance issue that I had even after machine balancing.

36and63 · 08-30-2021, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kube

Truer words never spoken...

These adaptors from Speedway work very well for balancing wide five wheels.
Had no issue getting mine balanced on the 36 with one I purchased just for that.

Pat

Phil Gillespie · 08-30-2021, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 36and63

These adaptors from Speedway work very well for balancing wide five wheels.
Had no issue getting mine balanced on the 36 with one I purchased just for that.

Pat

Endorse the Speedway adaptor. Had one sent down under, cost very good even with shipping.Pleased with unit
Phil NZ

Brian · 08-30-2021, 06:23 PM

Use dynabeads

coolcoupe · 08-30-2021, 07:17 PM

Could you use it with out of balanced drums ?

Shoebox · 08-30-2021, 07:29 PM

X 3, or was it 4? regarding the Speedway adapter. Worked great with the wide fives on my 39 Merc.

Lanny · 08-30-2021, 07:38 PM

[QUOTE=Bursonaw;2051329]Yes you can balance the wheels. You have a few options.

You can run Dynabeads in your tires.
http://dynabeads.samsauto-online.com/

You can use a wheel adapter that will fit on the tire balancer.
https://www.a1racing.com/A1_Racing_P..._Adapters.aspx

Or if you can find a place that works on Old Volkswagens, they used wide Five Wheels.

Hope this helps.
================================================

The Old VW wide five wheels have about an 8" bolt circle, and
the Old Ford wide 5 wheels have a 10 1/4" bolt circle...

.

ford38v8 · 08-30-2021, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolcoupe

Could you use it with out of balanced drums ?

Any drum used for balancing must itself be balanced separately unless it will actually be the drum on the car for that wheel, clocked to the same lugs.

If you want to balance a wide 5 drum, use an adapter that has no lugs installed as this one has.

Brian · 08-30-2021, 08:04 PM

I should imagine that dynabeads will counteract the imbalance within the entire rotating assembly, ie brakedrums, rims and tires. All I know is they work very well.

Newc · 08-30-2021, 08:51 PM

Note; the racing adapters usually have 5/8" studs and wheel fitment can be a bit tight. also those studs can be cut threads Vs rolled threads- check lug nut fit. I use them myself tho. Newc

cas3 · 08-30-2021, 08:55 PM

Dyna beads. I have found that if I can control my trigger finger, I can get the air hammer to just barely vibrate and it helps when pouring them in so they dont clog up your funnel.

tubman · 08-30-2021, 09:40 PM

Although I have never used them and am just constitutionally opposed to "miracle cures", I'm starting to think that "Dyna-Beads" may be the answer.

"Lanny" has a lot of credibility with me, and if he says they work, trust me, believe him.

Lanny · 08-30-2021, 10:03 PM

Actually Denny, in my post above, the top part of it, is Bursonaw,s QUOTE, and
the bottom comment of mine is just to correct Bursonaw's statement, that VW,s
used a wide five wheel like the early Ford wide five, and I just tell him that VW's
wide five bolt circle measurement is different than Fords.

As far as Dyna Beads go, I have never used them, might have try them in the
future, just to find out for myself if they do work or not.

Thanks for the complement though Denny.

.

tubman · 08-30-2021, 10:11 PM

I guess I read it how I wanted to hear it.

Just the fact that you are not against them is good enough for me.

cas3 · 08-30-2021, 11:33 PM

For many years I was against the "new fangled" dyna beads because...my theory here...I thought they would produce some bad ju-ju that would make hard to make a tube patch stick. But, the fact is they sell us such junk tubes now days I dont patch anything anymore, just buy a new tube. The tubes I just took out of my 52 jeep, tires dated 1951, are about an1/8" thick, must weigh 10 pounds, and look like new. I went tubeless on that project, but those tubes will go in the next pair of 750 16 hot rod tires I buy with no worries from me. 70 years old, soft nice real rubber

Brian · 08-31-2021, 12:16 AM

For 16" inner tubes, I use tractor tubes, these are heavy duty, have the correct large stem valve stems, and have worked very well for me fitted inside radial tires with dynabeads.

cas3 · 08-31-2021, 12:45 AM

Good info as usual from Brian

Bursonaw · 08-31-2021, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanny

Actually Denny, in my post above, the top part of it, is Bursonaw,s QUOTE, and
the bottom comment of mine is just to correct Bursonaw's statement, that VW,s
used a wide five wheel like the early Ford wide five, and I just tell him that VW's
wide five bolt circle measurement is different than Fords.

As far as Dyna Beads go, I have never used them, might have try them in the
future, just to find out for myself if they do work or not.

Thanks for the complement though Denny.

.

Thanks for the correction on the wide 5’s. I didn’t realize they were different.

As for Dynabeads, I have used them on my 36 Ford and they work well. The wheels also look nice as there are no external weights on the wheel rim. Big trucks have been using them for many years. I also have the wide five wheel adapter and it works for balancing as you would expect.

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Ray Balukas · 08-31-2021, 02:48 AM

I had my wheels trued first ,then used counteract beads. Smooth ride . These old wheels got pounded on back in the day.

gayle marlowe · 08-31-2021, 03:27 PM

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Thanks for all the responses. Will get the adapter from Speedway and maybe even the beads. Hoping for a smooooth ride after.!!!

waynet · 08-31-2021, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gayle marlowe

Back again for more excellent advice!!
My 38 has the wide 5 wheels. 5 on 10 1/2.
Does anybody know a way to balance these ?
Went to Discount Tire and they say no.
My local guys say these old units don't need it, but mine seems to feel as tho it wants a balance job.
I there an adapter available to go down to a small center hole?
Thanks

A bushman check is to place the center hole of the wheel on top of a hard round ball and which ever section of the wheel is balancing higher is the section that needs some balance weight.

Tinker · 09-01-2021, 12:17 AM

I use the speedway adapter and the tapered lugs they sell now. That'll at least get you on the machine. Have one hanging on the wall. It'll get it done, you can add beads later but I run tubes soooo.

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wide-...Inch,3444.html

aussie merc · 09-02-2021, 07:46 PM

I was the perpetual sceptic about balance beads used them as a last resort now wont do it any other way THEY WORK and they balance the whole rotating assembly [wheel /hub/drum] whats more if you rotate your wheels there is no need to rebalance as its done automatically by the beads......Yes they can be an absolute pain to install but worth it

Lawson Cox · 09-02-2021, 08:30 PM

I just took my drums along with my wheel and tire and got the whole 9 yards balanced at the same time, then I painted the stud and marked the wheel where it could be put back in the proper spot if removing the wheel became necessary. Worded for me.

Frank Miller · 09-03-2021, 06:28 AM

No one mentioned old school balancing.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37356767488...iABEgK8zvD_BwE

Elmo Rodge · 09-03-2021, 06:40 AM

Hey. I have one of those. Just need time to figure it out.
Wayno

Pete pa · 09-03-2021, 09:41 AM

I use Dyna beads in all my tires, it balances the tire thru the life of the tire. I started using them when I couldn't get the shimmy out of the front wheel on my 1998 HD heritage springer. I took it to the dealer had them replace front shock, rocker bushings, goose neck bearings, and the wheels trued and still had a shimmy between 35 and 40 mph. and every front tire I put on the bike would cup shortly after mounting, and the shimmy would get worse till I replaced the tire, I removed the weights installed the Dyna beads and no more shimmy and the tires stopped cupping. Now I run all my tires with them. They are reusable just tell the tire shop they are in the tire and have them transfer them to your new tires. As has been stated they have been used in trucks for years.

tubman · 09-03-2021, 11:06 AM

I am starting to become a believer.

sidevalve8ba · 09-03-2021, 11:27 AM

There is one tire shop that I know of here locally that still has a spin balancer. I am thinking that would work fine on a wide five wheel. My father used to swear by those things saying "they balance your tire, wheel and brake drum all at the same time". Most people these days don't even know what they are. You will find them though in shops that work on big trucks as that is perhaps the easiest way to balance a big truck tire.

supereal · 09-03-2021, 03:44 PM

We balance the drum first, of course. The difference between drums has been minor, and most older cars are not run fast enough to matter. I have an overdrive in my '47 convertible, and I can keep up with hiway traffic with no problem. The only thing I had to solve was an "out of round" new tire. If the tire hops or wobbles while balancing, check for that problem. One out of four from a good dealer had the problem, and was replaced. The vendor tried to blame it on a bent wheel, which was not the cause.

Tinker · 09-03-2021, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete pa

I use Dyna beads in all my tires, it balances the tire thru the life of the tire. I started using them when I couldn't get the shimmy out of the front wheel on my 1998 HD heritage springer. I took it to the dealer had them replace front shock, rocker bushings, goose neck bearings, and the wheels trued and still had a shimmy between 35 and 40 mph. and every front tire I put on the bike would cup shortly after mounting, and the shimmy would get worse till I replaced the tire, I removed the weights installed the Dyna beads and no more shimmy and the tires stopped cupping. Now I run all my tires with them. They are reusable just tell the tire shop they are in the tire and have them transfer them to your new tires. As has been stated they have been used in trucks for years.

How does the beads work if you run bias ply and tubes? Some do.

aussie merc · 09-03-2021, 10:29 PM

yup spin balancer's do work and work well if you can find one and the operator knows what the are doing but if you remove the wheel it must go back in the same spot so you cant rotate and keep the balance where with beads it doesn't matter FYI there is a mark on the hub/drum assembly that is suppose to line up with the valve stem [came to light on a previous post on here ]

Brian · 09-03-2021, 11:07 PM

How does the beads work if you run bias ply and tubes?

Exactly the same; the tire construction has no effect on the centrifigal force imposed once the assembly is running, the beads don't care, they'll just automatically go to the light side

Tinker · 09-03-2021, 11:10 PM

So you run the beads inside the tire and outside the tube? That works and can be used with tubes? I am honestly asking, I don't know.

Brian · 09-04-2021, 02:21 AM

Tinker, no, you need to put the beads inside the inner tube[s] if that's what you're running.
That's the fun part...although I can do each tire/tube assembly now in about 4 minutes each. My technique; You need to fit the tire/tube assembly onto the rim. With the wheel standing upright [I normally do them when they're fitted to vehicle] position the valve stem so it's about the two o'clock position.... remove the tire valve, this will fully deflate the tire. Find a drill bit that will go down the valve stem neatly, without damaging the threads. there seems to be a bit of a rubber flap or something at the base of the stem. I think it's about 5 mm [3/16"] Drill it out [don't drill right through the opposite side of the tube!] I use a ketchup bottle with a nozzle on it that I can slip a piece of clear plastic tubing over, the plastic tubing sized to go neatly over the threaded portion of the valve stem that the dustcap screws onto. Pour the required amount of beads into the ketchup bottle, screw on the lid, fit the tubing, pour some beads down the tubing; you'll need to pour sufficient in to allow them to back up will a coupla inches. Remove the end of the tubing from the nozzle on the bottle, whilst holding the tube up sufficiently to prevent the beads running back down onto the floor. Using an compressed air gun, just give the free end of the tube a puff or two, [not a hard, continuous blow, just a coupla light little puffs] and suddenly the beads will blow into the tire! Pour some more into the plastic tube, and repeat the blow etc until all beads are in the tire. Fit the special valve that comes with the dynabeads, and inflate tire to your desired pressure.

I have posted on a diffrent thread on here about dynabeads and given a website link. Try doing a google for dynabeads, there is a website that tells what quantity is required per tire size, also gives helpful hints about fitting said beads. They talk about using vibrators etc to work the beads in, I've found blowing them in as described above works very well, the main thing being [and they don't mention this] to run a drill through the valve stem first to open up the opening.
I assure you, at first you'll struggle, but by the time you've done all 5 wheels, you'll have it down pat, and once you've driven the vehicle, you'll be sold on them. Enjoy, Brian

Tinker · 09-04-2021, 02:25 AM

So i have to cut my tube and put beads in it, then patch it?. Guess I'm confused. May be easier to get an adapter that any tire company can use.

I see maybe how this is something with radials.

51 MERC-CT · 09-04-2021, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinker

So i have to cut my tube and put beads in it, then patch it?. Guess I'm confused. May be easier to get an adapter that any tire company can use.

I see maybe how this is something with radials.

The tube is not cut. Any interference in the air filler is removed to allow ease of installation.

Pete pa · 09-04-2021, 07:57 AM

The tires on my HD springer are bias ply tires and tubes, it is a little tuff to install the beads thru the valve stem and sometimes you may need a little more with some tires having heavy spots. I only buy Dunlap tires and HD tubes, and reuse the tube in the new tires, I change my own tires on my bike, I don't trust them to the dealers, if there is a problem its only me to blame.

Brian · 09-04-2021, 02:16 PM

Thank you MERC 51 CT for the diagram. What Merc calls the air filler, I've called the valve stem. I have found that often there seems to be a piece of rubber or something where the 'air filler' is attached to the tube. Like, the hole hasn't been punched through correctly. Anyway, I use a drill bit to clear this obstruction, then the dynabeads are so easy to blow into the tube.
Yes, my old HD also runs bias ply tires. Upon fitting my last front tire, it had a very bad pogo stick action , almost uncontrollable to ride. I installed beads , viola! sweet to ride again.

51 MERC-CT · 09-04-2021, 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

Yes, my old HD also runs bias ply tires. Upon fitting my last front tire, it had a very bad pogo stick action , almost uncontrollable to ride. I installed beads , viola! sweet to ride again.

Had the same situation on my old BMW with a Dunlop tire, the beads cured it.

08-30-2021, 03:37 PM	#1
gayle marlowe Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: pueblo colorado Posts: 40	wheel balance Back again for more excellent advice!! My 38 has the wide 5 wheels. 5 on 10 1/2. Does anybody know a way to balance these ? Went to Discount Tire and they say no. My local guys say these old units don't need it, but mine seems to feel as tho it wants a balance job. I there an adapter available to go down to a small center hole? Thanks

08-30-2021, 04:06 PM	#2
Kube Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 9,007	Re: wheel balance These old wheels probably require a balance more than modern wheels. There are adapters available. Speedway used to sell one but am not certain if they still do. __________________ "I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".

08-30-2021, 04:07 PM	#3
supereal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Re: wheel balance At our shop we use a wide circle drum and hub to mount the wheels to fit our balancer. If you don't have any, one of the front drums will work depending on the type of equipment used.

08-30-2021, 04:13 PM	#4
Bursonaw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 345	Re: wheel balance Yes you can balance the wheels. You have a few options. You can run Dynabeads in your tires. http://dynabeads.samsauto-online.com/ You can use a wheel adapter that will fit on the tire balancer. https://www.a1racing.com/A1_Racing_P..._Adapters.aspx Or if you can find a place that works on Old Volkswagens, they used wide Five Wheels. Hope this helps. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

08-30-2021, 04:21 PM	#5
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,645	Re: wheel balance Gayle, your local guy is an idiot. An out of balance tire will bounce your eyeballs out at highway speed. He must think old cars are only for parades. There are several ways to balance a wide five. The simplest and best way these days is an adapter from Speedway Motors. Of several available, this one is cheapest and has the studs you need. Importantly, the adapter must be balanced alone prior to balancing your wheel. https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wide-...ern,29220.html __________________ Alan

08-30-2021, 06:23 PM	#10
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: wheel balance Use dynabeads __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

08-30-2021, 07:17 PM	#11
coolcoupe Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ontario,Canada Posts: 451	Re: wheel balance Could you use it with out of balanced drums ?

08-30-2021, 07:29 PM	#12
Shoebox Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Holmen,Wisconsin Posts: 787	Re: wheel balance X 3, or was it 4? regarding the Speedway adapter. Worked great with the wide fives on my 39 Merc. __________________ I went, I saw, I bought the T shirt 51 Ford Deluxe Tudor 32 Ford roadster 39 Mercury Towncar

08-30-2021, 07:38 PM	#13
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,411	Re: wheel balance [QUOTE=Bursonaw;2051329]Yes you can balance the wheels. You have a few options. You can run Dynabeads in your tires. http://dynabeads.samsauto-online.com/ You can use a wheel adapter that will fit on the tire balancer. https://www.a1racing.com/A1_Racing_P..._Adapters.aspx Or if you can find a place that works on Old Volkswagens, they used wide Five Wheels. Hope this helps. ================================================ The Old VW wide five wheels have about an 8" bolt circle, and the Old Ford wide 5 wheels have a 10 1/4" bolt circle... . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN

08-30-2021, 08:04 PM	#15
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: wheel balance I should imagine that dynabeads will counteract the imbalance within the entire rotating assembly, ie brakedrums, rims and tires. All I know is they work very well. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

08-30-2021, 08:51 PM	#16
Newc Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,484	Re: wheel balance Note; the racing adapters usually have 5/8" studs and wheel fitment can be a bit tight. also those studs can be cut threads Vs rolled threads- check lug nut fit. I use them myself tho. Newc

08-30-2021, 08:55 PM	#17
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,574	Re: wheel balance Dyna beads. I have found that if I can control my trigger finger, I can get the air hammer to just barely vibrate and it helps when pouring them in so they dont clog up your funnel.

08-30-2021, 09:40 PM	#18
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,316	Re: wheel balance Although I have never used them and am just constitutionally opposed to "miracle cures", I'm starting to think that "Dyna-Beads" may be the answer. "Lanny" has a lot of credibility with me, and if he says they work, trust me, believe him.

08-30-2021, 10:03 PM	#19
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,411	Re: wheel balance Actually Denny, in my post above, the top part of it, is Bursonaw,s QUOTE, and the bottom comment of mine is just to correct Bursonaw's statement, that VW,s used a wide five wheel like the early Ford wide five, and I just tell him that VW's wide five bolt circle measurement is different than Fords. As far as Dyna Beads go, I have never used them, might have try them in the future, just to find out for myself if they do work or not. Thanks for the complement though Denny. . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN

08-30-2021, 10:11 PM	#20
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,316	Re: wheel balance I guess I read it how I wanted to hear it. Just the fact that you are not against them is good enough for me.

08-30-2021, 11:33 PM	#21
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,574	Re: wheel balance For many years I was against the "new fangled" dyna beads because...my theory here...I thought they would produce some bad ju-ju that would make hard to make a tube patch stick. But, the fact is they sell us such junk tubes now days I dont patch anything anymore, just buy a new tube. The tubes I just took out of my 52 jeep, tires dated 1951, are about an1/8" thick, must weigh 10 pounds, and look like new. I went tubeless on that project, but those tubes will go in the next pair of 750 16 hot rod tires I buy with no worries from me. 70 years old, soft nice real rubber

08-31-2021, 12:16 AM	#22
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: wheel balance For 16" inner tubes, I use tractor tubes, these are heavy duty, have the correct large stem valve stems, and have worked very well for me fitted inside radial tires with dynabeads. __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

08-31-2021, 12:45 AM	#23
cas3 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: sw minnesota Posts: 4,574	Re: wheel balance Good info as usual from Brian

08-31-2021, 02:48 AM	#25
Ray Balukas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Deerfield N.H. Posts: 294	Re: wheel balance I had my wheels trued first ,then used counteract beads. Smooth ride . These old wheels got pounded on back in the day.

08-31-2021, 03:27 PM	#26
gayle marlowe Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: pueblo colorado Posts: 40	Re: wheel balance Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Thanks for all the responses. Will get the adapter from Speedway and maybe even the beads. Hoping for a smooooth ride after.!!!

09-01-2021, 12:17 AM	#28
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: wheel balance I use the speedway adapter and the tapered lugs they sell now. That'll at least get you on the machine. Have one hanging on the wall. It'll get it done, you can add beads later but I run tubes soooo. https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wide-...Inch,3444.html Last edited by Tinker; 09-03-2021 at 10:24 PM.

09-02-2021, 07:46 PM	#29
aussie merc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: sydney australia Posts: 1,033	Re: wheel balance I was the perpetual sceptic about balance beads used them as a last resort now wont do it any other way THEY WORK and they balance the whole rotating assembly [wheel /hub/drum] whats more if you rotate your wheels there is no need to rebalance as its done automatically by the beads......Yes they can be an absolute pain to install but worth it

09-02-2021, 08:30 PM	#30
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: wheel balance I just took my drums along with my wheel and tire and got the whole 9 yards balanced at the same time, then I painted the stud and marked the wheel where it could be put back in the proper spot if removing the wheel became necessary. Worded for me. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

09-03-2021, 06:28 AM	#31
Frank Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auburn, MA Posts: 2,106	Re: wheel balance No one mentioned old school balancing. https://www.ebay.com/itm/37356767488...iABEgK8zvD_BwE __________________ “The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is true.” ~ Ezra Pound

09-03-2021, 06:40 AM	#32
Elmo Rodge Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Salina, Utah Posts: 325	Re: wheel balance Hey. I have one of those. Just need time to figure it out. Wayno __________________ Life is not a spectator sport.

09-03-2021, 09:41 AM	#33
Pete pa Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: allison park pa Posts: 89	Re: wheel balance I use Dyna beads in all my tires, it balances the tire thru the life of the tire. I started using them when I couldn't get the shimmy out of the front wheel on my 1998 HD heritage springer. I took it to the dealer had them replace front shock, rocker bushings, goose neck bearings, and the wheels trued and still had a shimmy between 35 and 40 mph. and every front tire I put on the bike would cup shortly after mounting, and the shimmy would get worse till I replaced the tire, I removed the weights installed the Dyna beads and no more shimmy and the tires stopped cupping. Now I run all my tires with them. They are reusable just tell the tire shop they are in the tire and have them transfer them to your new tires. As has been stated they have been used in trucks for years.

09-03-2021, 11:06 AM	#34
tubman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Minnesota, Florida Keys Posts: 10,316	Re: wheel balance I am starting to become a believer.

09-03-2021, 11:27 AM	#35
sidevalve8ba Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Harrisonburg, VA Posts: 842	Re: wheel balance There is one tire shop that I know of here locally that still has a spin balancer. I am thinking that would work fine on a wide five wheel. My father used to swear by those things saying "they balance your tire, wheel and brake drum all at the same time". Most people these days don't even know what they are. You will find them though in shops that work on big trucks as that is perhaps the easiest way to balance a big truck tire.

09-03-2021, 03:44 PM	#36
supereal Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,634	Re: wheel balance We balance the drum first, of course. The difference between drums has been minor, and most older cars are not run fast enough to matter. I have an overdrive in my '47 convertible, and I can keep up with hiway traffic with no problem. The only thing I had to solve was an "out of round" new tire. If the tire hops or wobbles while balancing, check for that problem. One out of four from a good dealer had the problem, and was replaced. The vendor tried to blame it on a bent wheel, which was not the cause.

09-03-2021, 10:29 PM	#38
aussie merc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: sydney australia Posts: 1,033	Re: wheel balance yup spin balancer's do work and work well if you can find one and the operator knows what the are doing but if you remove the wheel it must go back in the same spot so you cant rotate and keep the balance where with beads it doesn't matter FYI there is a mark on the hub/drum assembly that is suppose to line up with the valve stem [came to light on a previous post on here ]

09-03-2021, 11:07 PM	#39
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: wheel balance How does the beads work if you run bias ply and tubes? Exactly the same; the tire construction has no effect on the centrifigal force imposed once the assembly is running, the beads don't care, they'll just automatically go to the light side __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

09-03-2021, 11:10 PM	#40
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: wheel balance So you run the beads inside the tire and outside the tube? That works and can be used with tubes? I am honestly asking, I don't know.

09-04-2021, 02:21 AM	#41
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,834	Re: wheel balance Tinker, no, you need to put the beads inside the inner tube[s] if that's what you're running. That's the fun part...although I can do each tire/tube assembly now in about 4 minutes each. My technique; You need to fit the tire/tube assembly onto the rim. With the wheel standing upright [I normally do them when they're fitted to vehicle] position the valve stem so it's about the two o'clock position.... remove the tire valve, this will fully deflate the tire. Find a drill bit that will go down the valve stem neatly, without damaging the threads. there seems to be a bit of a rubber flap or something at the base of the stem. I think it's about 5 mm [3/16"] Drill it out [don't drill right through the opposite side of the tube!] I use a ketchup bottle with a nozzle on it that I can slip a piece of clear plastic tubing over, the plastic tubing sized to go neatly over the threaded portion of the valve stem that the dustcap screws onto. Pour the required amount of beads into the ketchup bottle, screw on the lid, fit the tubing, pour some beads down the tubing; you'll need to pour sufficient in to allow them to back up will a coupla inches. Remove the end of the tubing from the nozzle on the bottle, whilst holding the tube up sufficiently to prevent the beads running back down onto the floor. Using an compressed air gun, just give the free end of the tube a puff or two, [not a hard, continuous blow, just a coupla light little puffs] and suddenly the beads will blow into the tire! Pour some more into the plastic tube, and repeat the blow etc until all beads are in the tire. Fit the special valve that comes with the dynabeads, and inflate tire to your desired pressure. I have posted on a diffrent thread on here about dynabeads and given a website link. Try doing a google for dynabeads, there is a website that tells what quantity is required per tire size, also gives helpful hints about fitting said beads. They talk about using vibrators etc to work the beads in, I've found blowing them in as described above works very well, the main thing being [and they don't mention this] to run a drill through the valve stem first to open up the opening. I assure you, at first you'll struggle, but by the time you've done all 5 wheels, you'll have it down pat, and once you've driven the vehicle, you'll be sold on them. Enjoy, Brian __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

09-04-2021, 02:25 AM	#42
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: wheel balance So i have to cut my tube and put beads in it, then patch it?. Guess I'm confused. May be easier to get an adapter that any tire company can use. I see maybe how this is something with radials.

09-04-2021, 07:57 AM	#44
Pete pa Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: allison park pa Posts: 89	Re: wheel balance The tires on my HD springer are bias ply tires and tubes, it is a little tuff to install the beads thru the valve stem and sometimes you may need a little more with some tires having heavy spots. I only buy Dunlap tires and HD tubes, and reuse the tube in the new tires, I change my own tires on my bike, I don't trust them to the dealers, if there is a problem its only me to blame.