Shop lighting

[Tacoma Bob]

Did a search and came up empty handed. I want to convert my 4 foot florescent tubes in my shop to LED. My current fixtures are all mounted and hardwired so I'm looking for a retrofit kit to eliminate the ballast and the "tombstone" pin holders. Any brand names and part number appreciated. TIA...TB

[burner31]

LED shop lights?
Now that's a good idea

[Larry Jenkins]

Costco has a package of two self-contained LED lights that are absolutely marvelous!

Don't know much more, as I threw away the box. Was just amazed at how much brighter they are. About $70 on sale.

Larry

[burner31]

Ebay-Jackscoolstuff $55

Why am I just learning about these?

Found them easy, $55 up to $100+

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by Tacoma Bob

Did a search and came up empty handed. I want to convert my 4 foot florescent tubes in my shop to LED. My current fixtures are all mounted and hardwired so I'm looking for a retrofit kit to eliminate the ballast and the "tombstone" pin holders. Any brand names and part number appreciated. TIA...TB

Bob, Check out The Ford Barn's sister publication The Garage Journal http://www.garagejournal.com They have a whole Forum on "lighting".

[CarlG]

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Can't quite justify LED lights in my garage. Right before LEDs came out, I had completely re-done all the (mostly non-existent) lighting in my garage with new fluorescent lighting.

[Bob C]

I got the ones from Costco. Just replace your old tubes with the new LED ones,
use your existing fixture.

Bob

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Bob C

I got the ones from Costco. Just replace your old tubes with the new LED ones,
use your existing fixture.

Bob

So then the old ballast must still be in the circuit........right?
I wonder how efficient this is compared to new LED's?

[CarlG]

Of course, right now I have 16 fixtures in my house & garage that all use the same tube, and have a whole box of replacement tubes in stock. It's going to be a while before any of these get replaced.

[Wello]

I'm considering these:

http://www.amazon.com/Hyperikon®-Dua...cement+for+T-8

[DougT]

I just bought a bunch of 4 ft LED lights to replace the fluorescents in my shop that had bad ballasts. I got them at Menards for $35.00 each. They are the complete fixture with plug in ends. I bought one last winter and couldn't believe the difference. I think they are 3300 lumens at 41 watts each. They are quick to start down to 20F below. The brand name was Smart Electrician.

[Charlie Stephens]

If you are starting with incandescent lights going to LED's to save electricity it is definitely the thing to do assuming you use the lights on a regular basis. I didn't upgrade the lights in my attic because I seldom go up there. If you are starting with fluorescents and going to LED's the savings is much less. In my case I was going through a lot of fluorescent bulbs (probably due to bad electronics in the fixtures) and just replaced everything with LED's. At the time it was about the same price to replace the fluorescent fixtures as to upgrade them. I bought mine at COSTCO.

Charlie Stephens

[Doug in NJ]

I saw some of those LED retrofit "fluorescent" tubes at Home Depot. The light looked nice, but I noticed that the lumen rating was about 30% less than the T8 bulbs that they replaced. So do a bit of research before dropping a lot of money on replacements.

My garage has a pair of 8-foot fixtures each with two T12HO bulbs. These are pretty bright, and a couple of years ago I did a very worthwhile upgrade: I replaced the original magnetic ballasts with electronic ballasts (GE brand from HD, very reasonably priced). Now the lights start instantly even in the coldest weather, and there is no humming or flickering, and the ballasts do not get as warm as the old ones, so they are definitely more efficient.

One more thing on LED bulbs: If you house has those ceiling "can" lights, you really ought to install the Cree brand LED fixtures (sold by HD) in them. I've installed at least 30 of those around my house, and in two years I have had ZERO failures. They are easy to install, have good light, and are pretty inexpensive. They totally blow away the annoying CF bulbs that the fixtures used to have.

Doug

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Tacoma Bob

Did a search and came up empty handed. I want to convert my 4 foot florescent tubes in my shop to LED. My current fixtures are all mounted and hardwired so I'm looking for a retrofit kit to eliminate the ballast and the "tombstone" pin holders. Any brand names and part number appreciated. TIA...TB

Check here;

https://www.earthled.com/collections...lamps-with-led

[Bill's Auto Works]

While I was @ SEMA a few weeks ago, I looked at some very nice LED lighting called "Big Ass Lights" I am not sure if they do retrofits but their lights looked to be very high quality!

[holdover]

When I built my dream garage I used CFL lights, I liked the idea of getting 100 watt equiv for only 25 watts. I have no regrets, there are 20 in my 40 X 60, set up in zones so I can light up just the area that I am working on. 7 years and all still work

[Larry Jenkins]

A clarification. The lights I got from Costco are two separate, 48" 2 LED bulb fixtures.

You just unplug the old one and plug these in. The two LED Bulbs are intregal to the fixture.

What is most amazing in the amount of nice, white light these put out. 3200 Lumens, 4000 Kelvin.. I think.

Larry

[Bill's Auto Works]

The term retrofit is kind of a misnomer. All you do is buy the proper LED bulb that will fit your fixture, then remove the ballast & starter, then wire directly to the ends.
I would like to thank the O.P. for this post, I had been wanting to start upgrading my shop to LED's for a while & this post gave me the kick in the pants to do it. I just ordered a 10 pack of 8ft 48watt 240 led 6500 lumen bright white bulbs for $289.00 from a company on ebay. Unfortunately this is only about a quarter of what I need!

[CarlG]

Originally Posted by Bill's Auto Works

... I just ordered a 10 pack of 8ft 48watt 240 led 6500 lumen bright white bulbs for $289.00 from a company on ebay. Unfortunately this is only about a quarter of what I need!

Ka-ching !

[Tom Wesenberg]

Not to worry Bill, the price will drop right after you buy them.

[pgerhardt]

I bought a whole box of them on sale at Home Depot for $40. As my florescent bulbs die I replace them with cooler and brighter LED bulbs. BTW some older LED bulbs require removing the ballast and rewiring your fixtures. These newer ones do not and are direct replacements.

[Bill's Auto Works]

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Not to worry Bill, the price will drop right after you buy them.

WOW Tom,
I did not realize you knew me LOL. Oh well everybody else will benefit!

[Keith True]

I've been following the progress of LED replacement bulbs for a few years now.They are a lot cheaper than they were just a year ago.The direct replacement ones are pretty cheap,just plug and play.BUT,my main goal is to get rid of the ballast's.They are hot all the time,and that means sucking up juice.I tried the little starter cans,but it seemed like I was always up on a 12 foot stepladder replacing them.To get the bulbs that you wire around the ballast,eliminating it,you have to buy bulbs that are 'toggled',whatever that means.Between all my buildings I have 64 four foot bulbs.The ones that were $49.each a couple of years ago are now $30.

[jm29henry]

The retro fit bulbs would be the best but as Doug from NJ stated you must have a t8 lamp . the size of aT8 are a little over a 1/2" round ,if your lamps are about 1 1/8" round they are T12 both t8 &t12 tumb stone are the same size ,but Ballest are different .If you have the fatter lamps you must remove the ballast and install a driver hope this info help

[jack99]

Try a fixture with T-5 High Output lamps and you will be happy. From a person who has been an electrical contractor for 40 years.

[RonC]

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I replaced 4 - 32 watt t8 4-ft bulbs with one retrofit led 4 foot. The one bulb is brighter than the 4 bulbs and a whole lot cheaper to run.

[Deluxe Delivery Don]

Originally Posted by CarlG

Can't quite justify LED lights in my garage. Right before LEDs came out, I had completely re-done all the (mostly non-existent) lighting in my garage with new fluorescent lighting.

Timing is everything isn't it . I know what you mean

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Tacoma Bob,
Put a plug on one of your old fluorescent fixtures & lay it upside down under your car, lights up EVERYTHING!
If anyone has a cement pit, paint it APPLIANCE WHITE & you won't ever need a drop light!
Bill W.

[williamg4x4]

I got the eBay ones and removed the ballasts. and I love them good light and les power. But they do interfere with the shop radio when they are on. but I can live with that. And they light up faster and quieter. No regrets.

[Bill's Auto Works]

Originally Posted by Bill's Auto Works

The term retrofit is kind of a misnomer. All you do is buy the proper LED bulb that will fit your fixture, then remove the ballast & starter, then wire directly to the ends.
I would like to thank the O.P. for this post, I had been wanting to start upgrading my shop to LED's for a while & this post gave me the kick in the pants to do it. I just ordered a 10 pack of 8ft 48watt 240 led 6500 lumen bright white bulbs for $289.00 from a company on ebay. Unfortunately this is only about a quarter of what I need!

I received these bulbs as well as a 10 pack of 8ft 36 watt 194 led 6500k bright white clear lens bulbs @ $21.00 per bulb. I have installed some of these in the main part of my building & some of the 48 watt bulbs in my paint booth. They are amazing, much brighter than florescent bulbs @ 60 watts.
Please keep in mind these LEDs come in a variety of colors (6500k is the brightest), different lenses (I bought clear) & different watt ratings. So if you see very low prices, you might not be getting bulbs that are as bright as you may want.
Bill

[Liam]

Try to consider this option. Ordered here for your garage, with the help of the review picked up the right ones. I have a large garage shelf for two cars, so I needed special lamps Hyperikon Shop Light to fit perfectly.

[mike657894]

this link is what your looking for. I have put led screw in bulbs and lamp holders around as my lighting. I look for the name brand ones when on sale for $2 the off brand ones that sell for $1 have a high fail rate.
https://express.google.com/u/0/produ...CABEgJrpPD_BwE

[old31]

I looked at installing led's but went with T-5 High Output lamps. Only because the lumen output was higher.

Yes, they will use more electricity but the brightness was my priority.

[bettlesr]

I bought these from eledlighting.com:
Ultra High Lumen 4FT LED Tube T8/T12-Frosted-Cool White (5000K)

SKU 4UHLT8X020UN50F-P50 (50 pcs sku)
the color is 5000K and each tube puts out 3000 lumens.
They really light up my shop.
They also have 8ft single pin tubes that put out more light than a "HO" tube

[The Master Cylinder]

Originally Posted by mike657894

this link is what your looking for. I have put led screw in bulbs and lamp holders around as my lighting. I look for the name brand ones when on sale for $2 the off brand ones that sell for $1 have a high fail rate.
https://express.google.com/u/0/produ...CABEgJrpPD_BwE

I replaced my 4' fluorescent tubes with similar LEDs as these. I just bypassed the ballasts and installed the LEDs in my existing fixtures. Bright, instant on, no flicker.

[whirnot]

I have nothing but led in my house. At the time led shop lights were not cost effective. They make more sense now. They are rated as putting out less lumens, but for some reason I can see better with them. We replaced the bulbs in four fixtures and unhooked two, and the light seems better. These we unhooked the ballasts. I replaced four more in the shop, with plug and play bulbs. My only issue is one fixture blinks brighter and dimmer from time to time.
Like Carl, I have a whole box on T8s to use up before I but any more.

[TerryG]

You might want to take a look at this site.http://m4products.com

[Merc Cruzer]

I went to Home Depot today and bought just the 8' Double Ended Ballast Bypass bulbs, they come two to a pack. It is a new item for them. Eliminated the ballast, then the black wire from the wall switch was wire-nutted to the two wires on the left end of the light and the white wire from the wall switch was wire-nutted to the two wires on the right end of the light. Re installed the covers on the light. Then installed the two bulbs and all can say is WOW, what a difference! The two bulbs cost $43 and a new 8' LED strip unit cost $92. Wonder if I can find these on e-bay for less. Total time to do the project, around 20 minutes. One light down and two more to go for that stall. The Utube video (not mine) below shows how to do it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRZdN5KtG8k
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Another Ford Barn thread on the same subject:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=266830

[dbaldwi3]

Upgraded half of my garage with sunco 8 pack of 4’ led complete fixtures for 190.00 on Amazon. old fixtures had bad bulbs and or bad ballasts just threw them all out, the new ones are 4500 lumens 5000k daylight bulbs super bright now!

[d.]

I retrofitted 10, 8 foot flourecents with the Home Depot LED bulbs...super upgrade...no ballast change, just popped out the old T-12 and replaced with 5000k LED bulbs, super easy improvement.


Also, I added several 4 foot LED fixtures from Harbor Freight to fill in some dull spots over the work area.
$19.99 ea. fixture with 5000 lumen, 5000k LED bulb. super bright and weigh about 2 lbs. each if that is an issue. Check their sales, the $19.99 comes up often.

[Synchro909]

Electricity here is generated using brown coal whci we have enough of to last hundred of years but it is a very dirty way of doing it so in an affort to reduce greenhouse gasses and the cost of electricity (which has gone so high it's become political), our stste Government is subsidising the repalcement of incandescent and flouro lights with LEDs. We just had the whole house done, including my workshop. I used to have a 100watt incandescent globe and a 32 watt flouro tube above the work bench. I now have one 7 watt LED there and while the light is not as bright as it was, I get by. There are adaptors available that allow two globes to be put in the one roof fixture. I will buy one of those and another LED globe so I will have 14 watts of LED light (down from 132 watts) and I think that will be plenty.
I am on the committee of one of our clubs and in or clubrooms, we took up a similar offer and changed scores of flouro tubes to LED a year or two ago. The members had to be told it was done - no one noticed but the treasurer sure did!

[denniskliesen]

My old fluro above my work bench gave up on me recently so I bought an LED to replace it. The LED takes about 25% more space but I can't say it puts out anymore light than the fluro did when it was working. The rest of my garage consists of T5 fluorescent and the bulbs are all 6500K. When I see LED that puts out more light than what I have I might consider but the LED are a long way off from matching lumens to the T5.

[old31]

I agree with denn.

For those of you looking for a bright garage, you need to look at T5's from HD or Amazon.

[77Birdman]

Originally Posted by dbaldwi3

Upgraded half of my garage with sunco 8 pack of 4’ led complete fixtures for 190.00 on Amazon. old fixtures had bad bulbs and or bad ballasts just threw them all out, the new ones are 4500 lumens 5000k daylight bulbs super bright now!

I built a new shop last year. Shop area is 40' x 25'. I got an 8 pack from the amazon as well. The price at the time was around $150, less than $20 a light. I divided the space long ways by 3 and ended up with 2 rows of light spanning the length. MORE than enough light. This is a dinosaur thread and its interesting to see the price of the leds and the hesitation about using them 4 yrs ago. Now its the standard and a no brainer.

[katy]

My shop is 32' X 60' w/10 48" 4 tube fluorescents. A few years ago I replaced all the ballasts w/electronic ones, 1 of the electronic ballasts replaces 2 of the old ones.
The electronic ballasts power T8 lamps instead of the old T12s. Each fixture now uses about 85% less power than previously.
8 of the fixtures are spread out on the ceiling and I put individual switches on them so I only turn on as many as needed for the area I'm working in.
The other 2 fixtures are over the welding/work bench w/their own switch.

[ryanheacox]

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For those that are close to an Ocean State Job Lot, I just picked up 10 of these. 2400 lumen, 4’ shop lights, $4 a piece with cord and hanging cables. Got some different models, same brand that were on sale last year for the garage that are still going strong. These will go in the basement.

[lrjones]

I put in 9 LED strips in my pole barn a couple of years ago and they produced excellent light, however, the radio and the cordless phone were useless due to static caused by the lights. Paid about $32 per strip if I recall. Also, have one LED can light in the basement and have noticed when that light is on one of the tv channels in the upstairs living room will not come in. I put up an outdoor antenna on the barn so the radio will now work. FWIW

[Smog Tech]

I use 4 foot LED shop lights from Harbor Freight. 5000 lumens, very bright. My old eyes love them. $20 ea. on sale or with 20% off coupon.

[31 Woody]

I bought inexpensive 4’ LED’s from Amazon, I think it was 4 sets of 2 LEDs per package. IIRC it was about $60 or so to the door. These had grounded plugs on the ends, which was fine as that was how I had my garage set up. I pulled down the 4’ fluorescents and up went the LEDs. I had to make a simple mounting bracket, but each light went up in minutes. SOOOOO much brighter! Chuck those fluorescents in the garbage.

EDIT: I never noticed how old the thread was until I looked a few posts above mine. Yep, the world is changing fast. If only we could make old threads easier to see. Maybe some LED’s?

[katy]

Chuck those fluorescents in the garbage.

Better to send them for recycling.

[jrelliott]

I have been looking at LED replacement bulbs for church, and there are ones that will replace both T8, T10 and T12 bulbs with the same LED bulb. Would suggest getting the ones that you remove the ballast from the circuit as the ballast is still prone to failure and draw current as they are not 100% efficient. The LED bulbs come in different K ratings of the color spectrum, so that is another consideration. From the literature 2 LED bulbs will put our as much light as 4 40W bulbs(160+Watts) vs 2 LED 18W bulbs(36Watts total) and no loss from the ballast. The bulbs have an average life span of 18+years a 8 hours a day 365 days a year.

[Joe K]

Originally Posted by ryanheacox

For those that are close to an Ocean State Job Lot, I just picked up 10 of these. 2400 lumen, 4’ shop lights, $4 a piece with cord and hanging cables. Got some different models, same brand that were on sale last year for the garage that are still going strong. These will go in the basement.

They had these at the local OSJL for $14.99 and also an "improved" version for $18.99.

That is they had the $14.99 units until the local store sold out - then only the more expensive version.

I commented to the store manager about the dearth of the cheaper units. "I'd like to get more to sell more but OSJL doesn't send along any more" he replied.

Meanwhile down in Taxachusetts, the Billerica OSJL was still in stock and carrying the $14.99 units. So I made the trip down and bought 10 (!) to outfit my garage/man-cave.

I would guess them about 1/3rd brighter than the aged T12 Fluorescents they replaced. Nice in that no matter how cold the shop/garage gets I seem to get full brightness.

Time will tell whether the LEDs will continue as bright with continued use. A relatively little appreciated fact is that high output LEDS "age" - hence the 1990s CD boom box that no longer will follow the CD and skips where when new it was rock solid.

OBTW, I have not had stellar luck with electronic ballasts for T8 or T12 florescent units.

I have replaced first the electronic ballast and later the entire unit in a 4' T-8 fluorescent in my laundry room. Its gets a LOT of use being the light of choice on entering the room, and is usually left on.

A local pre-school counts on me to keep their 8' and 4' fluorescent units running and one by one the 50 year old single pin 8' units are going out and being converted. An electronic ballast in this identical application lasts about 5 years whereas the original oil filled ballasts went 40-50.

The electronic ballasts do yield a brighter light - perhaps on a lumen basis they are cost effective?

Joe K

[rrich1]

I'm actually in the process of I stalling LED lighting right now in my garage. Found some on Amazon 6pk for $120 or 12 for $240. Good way to upgrade to more lights as/if needed. Got two up so far and really happy with them. 5000k.

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[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Smog Tech

I use 4 foot LED shop lights from Harbor Freight. 5000 lumens, very bright. My old eyes love them. $20 ea. on sale or with 20% off coupon.

Yes, I just bought one this morning to try it out, and that light really puts out a nice bright white light.
I'll go back and buy some more while the sale lasts.

[Keith True]

Right now I am getting the 4 foot LED tubes from Batteries Plus for just under $10.each.A couple of years ago they were about $30,but the same bulb.I get that price because I have a commercial account,but anybody can get that price.Pay for them online,to be picked up at the store,and the discount you get will bring the price down to the commercial account level.I believe they are German,they are Werkers.Those are the ones you have to wire around the ballast's.I will never use a ballast again,and the new electronic ballast's seem to be junk.I tried to find a quality starter at a lighting store,the salesman said demand for them was nearly zero.

[Joe K]

Originally Posted by Keith True

Right now I am getting the 4 foot LED tubes from Batteries Plus for just under $10.each.A couple of years ago they were about $30,but the same bulb.I get that price because I have a commercial account,but anybody can get that price.Pay for them online,to be picked up at the store,and the discount you get will bring the price down to the commercial account level.I believe they are German,they are Werkers.Those are the ones you have to wire around the ballast's.I will never use a ballast again,and the new electronic ballast's seem to be junk.I tried to find a quality starter at a lighting store,the salesman said demand for them was nearly zero.

Check out https://www.batteriesplus.com/light-bulb/led/tube/g13

MANY differing grades, K value of LED shop bulbs both in "bypass install" and "ballast compatible" versions.

Looks like $6.99 for a bypass 4000K bulb.

K value refers to the "warmth" of the light. 5000K looks "blue" and industrial to my eye. 3500K is the classic "warm" fluorescent favored by housewives who do laundry and need a good read on "daylight color." 4000K is a kind of "average" and IMHO a better all round bulb.

Joe K

[Merc Cruzer]

Has anyone checked to see where the LED bulbs are made? Good to know they should last at least 36 years (that means I won't have to change the bulb again until I am 108). You can guess where the ballasts were made. I was replacing the old large ballast with the newer smaller ones, as they died.

[Keith True]

I doubt any of them are made here.I never looked at the German company Werker bulbs I bought,but I doubt they are really made in Germany.Before I changed my garage lights over to LED I had 16 of those ballast's in my garage.When those little ballast's get some age on them they get hot.REALLY hot,as in,blister the paint on the fixture they are bolted to.A hardware store I go to has one lonely little ballast on the shelf.He had always kept a half a dozen there,and they were sellers.He thinks the one he has has been there for a couple of years now.

[katy]

I have not had stellar luck with electronic ballasts for T8 or T12 florescent units.

An electronic ballast in this identical application lasts about 5 years

and the new electronic ballast's seem to be junk.

FWIW, I redid the fluorescent lighting in my shop to electronic ballasts and T8 lamps 11 years ago and they're still going strong with lots of use. 10 4 foot fixtures w/4 lamps each.

[WTSHNN]

I bought these from Costco over the weekend and installed them the past couple days.
https://www.costco.com/Feit-4'-Linka...100462723.html

They were singles and I paid $19 a piece for them. Am very happy with them so far. I liked that they were linkable which was important for my setup.

I know they were good because as I was looking at them a guy walking past commented that he loved them. Then in the checkout lane another guy told me he's a carpenter and uses them on jobsites and they get beat up a lot and still work.

I had previously been using some motion-sensing/timer LED shoplights in my garage but wanted to expand my the number to get inot to some dark corners so I went with the new ones. The old ones worked great and I have plans to relocate them into my in-law's garage soon.

-Tim

[Joe K]

Originally Posted by katy

FWIW, I redid the fluorescent lighting in my shop to electronic ballasts and T8 lamps 11 years ago and they're still going strong with lots of use. 10 4 foot fixtures w/4 lamps each.

Not disputing and welcome alternate experience.

It may be a matter of "source." The big-box stores carry a limited selection of replacement ballasts - generally only for those lines which they normally carry - and the quality on those is not rated.

Part of the issue may be the fixtures themselves. Ever frugal, I tend to buy the cheapest possible with a rationalization I can always upgrade later if forced to. The laundry room light is one of those bought cheap and forced to.

The first failure of one bulb was remedied by replacing the "Phillips" brand bulbs ( have green ends) These came with the fixture and hey, a fluorescent bulb is a fluorescent bulb is it not?

Well it is not. With another of those Phillips bulbs (I assumed it was the bulb) I squeezed out another year. And then one of them, same positional one, went on the fritz.

So I replaced it with a GE bulb of higher price but seemingly of higher quality overall (one could see differences in how the end treatment was improved.)

The GE bulb/Phillips combination lasted another two years and then that GE bulb went. Always the same bulb in relative position in the light.

I concluded the light was "defective" in a fundamental way in the ballast - so rather than re-ballast, I replaced the entire lamp (the cost is not much different.)

This time a more expensive fixture with the "grille" over the front and generally improved structurally.

This one is still soldiering along with now TWO GE bulbs, but I see again one of the bulbs is now "out." A twiddle with the fingers got that bad boy going again, but is it a bad fixture contact, or is it some flaw again on a ballast sourced from repeat source and the interruption/twiddle serves as signal to "start" - even though running continuous option may be flawed?

Not much is made in this country anymore - and electronics seems to be the "transfer to the pacific rim" technology of choice.

Maybe instead of buying the whole fixture, like you I should have replaced only the ballast? Might be a completely different manufacturer.

Maybe a higher quality American manufacturer? Naw, not probable and certainly not proven.

For certain things the Pacific Rim does quite well. Others not so much.

Joe K

[Merc Cruzer]

Seems like the normal progression of lighting: carburetor to fuel injection, florescent to LED.

Manufactures are just changing over from making blasts to LED bulbs. Too bad one of our young entrepreneurs can't figure out how make a profit and do it here. Seems like it would be a good use of all the recycled plastic we have.

[Keith True]

Normal progression of lighting it just what it is.I used to get lots of commercial light fixtures,I would take them down just ahead of the excavator doing the demo.People would always buy a quality fixture for their garages for 1/20th of what they went for new.Then I had to give them away,now I don't bother to take them out.I gave the last 25 or so to the scrap guy.I tried to give away a couple hundred new 4 foot florescent tubes,people would call me wanting 2 or 4 of them.They went into the florescent recycle bin at the dump.When I was a kid the janitor at the school would give all of us the old florescent tubes.We would run to the bridge down from the school and throw them in like a spear.They made a huge bang when they hit the water just right.

[Merc Cruzer]

How about making you own LED shop lights?

https://search.aol.com/aol/video;_yl...ac&action=view

[old31]

Originally Posted by Keith True

Normal progression of lighting it just what it is.I used to get lots of commercial light fixtures,I would take them down just ahead of the excavator doing the demo.People would always buy a quality fixture for their garages for 1/20th of what they went for new.Then I had to give them away,now I don't bother to take them out.I gave the last 25 or so to the scrap guy.I tried to give away a couple hundred new 4 foot florescent tubes,people would call me wanting 2 or 4 of them.They went into the florescent recycle bin at the dump.When I was a kid the janitor at the school would give all of us the old florescent tubes.We would run to the bridge down from the school and throw them in like a spear.They made a huge bang when they hit the water just right.

Ahhhhh haaaa. So your the little culprits that polluted the NH waterways We got you now!.