The Ford Barn

Bruce Lancaster · 02-25-2013, 03:28 PM

Heads off...freeze plug bulges confirmed...'39-40 221

LSJUNIPER · 02-26-2013, 06:02 AM

Distributor, water pumps, oil pan removed, yuk!!!! what a mess in side the block...sludge city!!! LOL!!! So far I can't see any cracks.

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Mart · 02-26-2013, 06:31 AM

Took the head gaskets off yet?

Mart.

LSJUNIPER · 02-28-2013, 05:57 AM

Mart,
I left the head gaskets on for now, to protect the mating surface from being damaged while taking the motor apart.

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LSJUNIPER · 02-28-2013, 06:04 AM

I think this motor has had work done to it in the past, found one of the tappets to be slotted, the rest are the non slotted type..

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LSJUNIPER · 03-04-2013, 05:53 AM

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Some more pics,

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LSJUNIPER · 03-04-2013, 05:58 AM

And more, Almost ready to bring the block to the machine shop for claeaning and a mag test for cracks. If all OK then a pressure test...I desided that I will bring the block to Eastwoods Auto Machine...
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39portlander · 03-04-2013, 06:09 AM

The last "Flathead" I tore down and got to this point, pulling the pan was painfull. It had the dreaded pan rail cracks on both side

Walt Dupont--Me. · 03-04-2013, 07:15 AM

Hey Phil, up here in Me. the salt water is alot cooler than it is in Florida. the clams have to bury in the mud the keep warm. LOL Walt

Walt Dupont--Me. · 03-04-2013, 07:24 AM

I don't see any sign of the steel sleeves in the bottom end pic. If it's still 3-1/16 I'd call it a 39 engine. Walt

LSJUNIPER · 03-04-2013, 11:48 AM

Walt, there isn't any sleeves, I will call it a 39..No cracks in the block that I can see...

LSJUNIPER · 03-11-2013, 04:54 AM

The block does not have any cracks in it and it passed the pressure test. More pics...

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Mart · 03-11-2013, 06:07 AM

Looks very nice. Congrats on the crack free status. What process did they use to clean it up?

Mart.

LSJUNIPER · 03-11-2013, 10:28 AM

It was dipped in a hot tank about 3 times, 2 days per dip. Mark at Eastwoods auto said it was a dirty block. After the hot dip Mark pressure washed it. He then rough bored the cylinders .030 over.

LSJUNIPER · 05-29-2013, 05:00 AM

Update, the motor is home from the machine shop, Eastwoods Auto Machine in Somersville CT. Took the advise of quickchange34 and mart and made a bracket to hold the motor from the exhaust ports...see pics...Thanks

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Walt Dupont--Me. · 05-29-2013, 06:13 AM

I keep looking at the intake manifold surface on the block, Of all the pic I still cain't tell if it's a raised intake surface, in some of the pic it looks like it does. But, the engines with a raised surface were late 41-42 and had sleeves, so with no sleeves I'd call it a 39. Walt

LSJUNIPER · 05-29-2013, 10:25 AM

Walt, Yes it's a 39. Went to VanPelt sales webpage and I was able to figure it out by there section on how to ID a flathead motor....

Barn Junk · 05-29-2013, 12:56 PM

I see the head studs have been removed. Did this present any problems? It seems like the hardest problem with the crusty blocks I have worked on.

LSJUNIPER · 05-29-2013, 01:58 PM

I did try and remove the head studs myself, but they wouldn't budge. When the block was dipped into the cleaning tank the studs then were able to be removed. I had the machine shop remove them and two of them had to be drilled out.

Mart · 05-29-2013, 02:04 PM

Just a little warning - don't run a tap down the head stud holes - they are a tight thread and a tap will open them out. Use a thread restorer or an old stud or bolt with a slot cut in it.

If you already knew this I apologise, but it isn't obvious to a novice.

Mart.

02-25-2013, 03:28 PM	#21
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Flathead project Heads off...freeze plug bulges confirmed...'39-40 221

02-26-2013, 06:02 AM	#22
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Distributor, water pumps, oil pan removed, yuk!!!! what a mess in side the block...sludge city!!! LOL!!! So far I can't see any cracks. 101_0892.jpg 101_0893.jpg

02-26-2013, 06:31 AM	#23
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,239	Re: Flathead project Took the head gaskets off yet? Mart.

02-28-2013, 05:57 AM	#24
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Mart, I left the head gaskets on for now, to protect the mating surface from being damaged while taking the motor apart. 2012-12-29_12-03-35_363.jpg 2012-12-04_21-07-31_436.jpg

02-28-2013, 06:04 AM	#25
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project I think this motor has had work done to it in the past, found one of the tappets to be slotted, the rest are the non slotted type.. 2012-12-29_12-07-26_346.jpg

03-04-2013, 05:53 AM	#26
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Some more pics, 2012-12-29_12-47-06_519.jpg 2012-12-31_12-16-41_201.jpg 2013-01-02_17-20-53_82.jpg 2012-12-29_12-04-22_471.jpg 2013-01-07_11-08-34_428.jpg

03-04-2013, 05:58 AM	#27
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project And more, Almost ready to bring the block to the machine shop for claeaning and a mag test for cracks. If all OK then a pressure test...I desided that I will bring the block to Eastwoods Auto Machine... ~0513779.jpg 2013-01-07_11-08-24_432.jpg

03-04-2013, 06:09 AM	#28
39portlander Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suth'N Maine Posts: 2,026	Re: Flathead project The last "Flathead" I tore down and got to this point, pulling the pan was painfull. It had the dreaded pan rail cracks on both side

03-04-2013, 07:15 AM	#29
Walt Dupont--Me. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gardiner Me. Posts: 4,200	Re: Flathead project Hey Phil, up here in Me. the salt water is alot cooler than it is in Florida. the clams have to bury in the mud the keep warm. LOL Walt

03-04-2013, 07:24 AM	#30
Walt Dupont--Me. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gardiner Me. Posts: 4,200	Re: Flathead project I don't see any sign of the steel sleeves in the bottom end pic. If it's still 3-1/16 I'd call it a 39 engine. Walt

03-04-2013, 11:48 AM	#31
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Walt, there isn't any sleeves, I will call it a 39..No cracks in the block that I can see...

03-11-2013, 04:54 AM	#32
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project The block does not have any cracks in it and it passed the pressure test. More pics... 2013-03-01_12-17-56_600.jpg 2013-03-01_12-18-55_453.jpg 2013-03-01_12-19-13_951.jpg 2013-03-01_12-19-36_811.jpg

03-11-2013, 06:07 AM	#33
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,239	Re: Flathead project Looks very nice. Congrats on the crack free status. What process did they use to clean it up? Mart.

03-11-2013, 10:28 AM	#34
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project It was dipped in a hot tank about 3 times, 2 days per dip. Mark at Eastwoods auto said it was a dirty block. After the hot dip Mark pressure washed it. He then rough bored the cylinders .030 over.

05-29-2013, 05:00 AM	#35
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Update, the motor is home from the machine shop, Eastwoods Auto Machine in Somersville CT. Took the advise of quickchange34 and mart and made a bracket to hold the motor from the exhaust ports...see pics...Thanks ~3338253.jpg 2013-05-28_14-48-12_885.jpg

05-29-2013, 06:13 AM	#36
Walt Dupont--Me. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gardiner Me. Posts: 4,200	Re: Flathead project I keep looking at the intake manifold surface on the block, Of all the pic I still cain't tell if it's a raised intake surface, in some of the pic it looks like it does. But, the engines with a raised surface were late 41-42 and had sleeves, so with no sleeves I'd call it a 39. Walt

05-29-2013, 10:25 AM	#37
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project Walt, Yes it's a 39. Went to VanPelt sales webpage and I was able to figure it out by there section on how to ID a flathead motor....

05-29-2013, 12:56 PM	#38
Barn Junk Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: WA state Posts: 771	Re: Flathead project I see the head studs have been removed. Did this present any problems? It seems like the hardest problem with the crusty blocks I have worked on.

05-29-2013, 01:58 PM	#39
LSJUNIPER Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CT Posts: 217	Re: Flathead project I did try and remove the head studs myself, but they wouldn't budge. When the block was dipped into the cleaning tank the studs then were able to be removed. I had the machine shop remove them and two of them had to be drilled out.

05-29-2013, 02:04 PM	#40
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 9,239	Re: Flathead project Just a little warning - don't run a tap down the head stud holes - they are a tight thread and a tap will open them out. Use a thread restorer or an old stud or bolt with a slot cut in it. If you already knew this I apologise, but it isn't obvious to a novice. Mart.