Flathead city, Gary Howard, Grants Pass, Or

[J Franklin]

After the card is credited back to you I would pick the engine up and only pay him for work actually performed at a reasonable rate. you may need to take some tools to inspect what he has done before cutting him a check. Did he say at all why or how things went south?

[uncle buck]

Originally Posted by J Franklin

After the card is credited back to you I would pick the engine up and only pay him for work actually performed at a reasonable rate. you may need to take some tools to inspect what he has done before cutting him a check. Did he say at all why or how things went south?

not me... this proven liar will never finish the engine and the odds of him accepting a check are about zero

[chap52]

It doesn't sound like you are going to let this slip under the rug. If he is a good guy, overwhelmed or pregnant it doesn't matter. He lied! Go get your stuff. The Grants Pass PD will accompany you to pick it up so there is no problems.
Also, I believe Alaska Airlines flies into Medford Oregon, just a short drive to Grants Pass. Chap

[TJ]

Originally Posted by chap52

It doesn't sound like you are going to let this slip under the rug. If he is a good guy, overwhelmed or pregnant it doesn't matter. He lied! Go get your stuff. The Grants Pass PD will accompany you to pick it up so there is no problems.
Also, I believe Alaska Airlines flies into Medford Oregon, just a short drive to Grants Pass. Chap

Medford to GP is only 25-30 minutes. If the suspect is in the city limits he should contact Grants Pass PD. if the guy lives in the county it would be Josephine County Sheriff's Office.

[j32]

Hi , I had Gary supply me with a 8BA merc block , crank , pistons, rings, bearings and do all the machine work back in 2012, and I would do all the assembly in my shop. He was always there to answer any questions I had , might have taken a call or two to get in touch with him but would take the time to talk with me. It did take a few months longer than the original agreement, but I was not in a big rush. I needed some accessory parts like a generator, crank pulley, road draft tubes and things like that, he shipped them to me at no charge. When I received the engine I looked it over and his machine work was top notch, he squared up the block , bored and honed it , all the usual things. I did notice something didn't look quite right on the valve seats, some were cut deeper than others and some barely at all, less than a 32nd, so I called many times to talk to him but he didn't answer so I left messages but he never returned any of the calls , this was disappointing so I took the block to a local shop and they had to replace a number of seats. In general, when you have to go outside your area to find quality work, it can be risky because you can't stop in to see how it is going. In my case I needed a block and he could provide everything I needed. For me, the reward was worth the risk. You never know, sometimes there is a change in circumstance such as health issues, personal issues, etc. that can extend the time frame promised that may not be obvious to the customers. When I worked with him, he was by himself, no employees. To the OP, hang in there, hope everything works out for you.

[Red98]

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I had a friend pop in on Gary and apparently there is progress on my engine but holes not stuffed yet. I'm to have more info (fm observer friend, not Gary) this week. I've moved (super distracted) and am patient. So what's a guy to do otherwise - it's only been 9 months already. Those elves who sneak into the machine shop at night to build engines got tiny fingers. Takes time. I heard of one guy who waited 2 years for a famed Flathead City engine. So scoff already - I'm staying the course.

[Tinker]

Hey if you are good with it and the motor comes out great, all is good.

I don't know what H&H turn around is or cost. Never any complains ever made I've read on anything from deliver to engine.

Local rebuilder, not yours. Think I waited 6 months for my 37 block on a local rebuild. I know it might have been back shelfed a few times, but "tommy" (the guy that did the rebuilt for the company) was a great rebuilder. .60 over rebuild. Basic. The shop and Tommy was always nice about letting me come around and see what they were working on years later (we did bring other business too). Mind you I never intruded if they were milling etc.

Walt was another here that did some great rebuilds on budget and time. Been a while since he posted and not sure how he's doing. Solid dude.


Stay the course as you decided, free will, it's for you to decide. Report back. Always good to hear.


Maybe I missed it but what are you doing to the motor? Basic rebuild? Blown motor? Makes a difference and maybe I missed it previously.




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[Red98]

Originally Posted by Tinker

Maybe I missed it but what are you doing to the motor? Basic rebuild? Blown motor? Makes a difference and maybe I missed it previously.

I'm doing nothing, my Merc has a sick Ford FH. Had it 3yrs and yet to drive it. I'm 82 and my clock is ticking.

From FC I'm buying a 284 cu Merc FH overstroke overbore high compression w/ Holley bbl electronic spark w/one wire chrome alternator. Y? cuz Trump sed I cud.

[Tony, NY]

Recent discussion about FC. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...highlight=city

[Tinker]

Originally Posted by Red98

I'm doing nothing, my Merc has a sick Ford FH. Had it 3yrs and yet to drive it. I'm 82 and my clock is ticking.

From FC I'm buying a 284 cu Merc FH overstroke overbore high compression w/ Holley bbl electronic spark w/one wire chrome alternator. Y? cuz Trump sed I cud.

Hell, nobody needs to tell you what to do. I don't now this company or their work and people personally, so I won't and didn't bash them. My previous responses was just to a concerned persons post on timelines. I added my experience. Not once did I say don't use them.


Sounds like a good plan. Hope all works out for you.


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[Newc]

Aug 5 '19 Local Early V8 Club members have given up on this guy, and their monies. One member is supposed to have rescued his project from the shop. No other developments with V8 Club guys. Newc

[TJ]

If enough people complain they can show a pattern of theft. Some of these agencies are just plain lazy and shove this stuff off as a civil matter. If Oregon has a Bureau of Automotive Repair they can initiate a criminal complaint based on the complaints from those who have been screwed by this guy. Again it has to show a pattern. In our town just recently the state BAR did a complaint on the local Midas Muffler store. They were scamming people on repairs and they got hauled into court. They paid a hefty fine and had to make a lot of restitution to those that complained.

[safeguy150]

You're correct about enough people, the problem is that the complaints are public record but the the name of the person complaining is not. That is what I am trying to find out, when you get stung for a large sum of money all you can think about is how to get it back, and I am sure that is what everyone else is doing also.

I am sincerely grateful for all of the comments and suggestions, thank you


If anyone is interested in joining together we can figure some way of contacting each other, not sure if you are allowed to post your email on this site

[Tinker]

You can post your email but I would not on a thread of this sort ...maybe. Maybe private message a few that have shared bad experiences and then if they respond to you could trade emails or private info. My suggestion anyway.



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[daveymc29]

"Elder Financial Abuse will also get peoples attention. Even Chase bank evidently didn't want to fight me on that and refunded some fraud that was over the 60 day period, they say. I say not as I tried to report it before the 60 days was up and since their computers were down nothing they could do? Well the finally did after our DA went with the Elder Financial Abuse and other charges.

[chap52]

Wrong is wrong. No matter how nice a person may have been in the past. When they choose to rip people off they need to become a "defendant". Life's circumstances may cause us to make poor decisions, but all decisions have consequences.
I worked as a Prison Chaplain for over 30 years and have heard all kinds of "rationalizations" and "justifications". But they are still choices that impacted others and need to be corrected before a person can move on with life.
In other words, you can't be a jerk all your life because your grandma kicked your cat sixty years ago. Accountability for choices... Chap

[Bored&Stroked]

Originally Posted by chap52

Wrong is wrong. No matter how nice a person may have been in the pas.t When they choose to rip people off they need to become a "defendant". Life's circumstances may cause us to make poor decisions, but all decisions have consequences.
I worked as a Prison Chaplain for over 30 years and have heard all kinds of "rationalizations" and "justifications". But they are still choices that impacted others and need to be corrected before a person can move on with life.
In other words, you can't be a jerk all your life because your grandma kicked your cat sixty years ago. Accountability for choices... Chap

I agree totally - especially in this country where you have the freedom to make a LOT of choices (good or bad).

The ole' 'Do Unto Others' rule is so simple, but so many people find every way to not follow it . . . as they're always the exception!

[deuce5wndw]

Originally Posted by chap52

Wrong is wrong. No matter how nice a person may have been in the pas.t When they choose to rip people off they need to become a "defendant". Life's circumstances may cause us to make poor decisions, but all decisions have consequences.
I worked as a Prison Chaplain for over 30 years and have heard all kinds of "rationalizations" and "justifications". But they are still choices that impacted others and need to be corrected before a person can move on with life.
In other words, you can't be a jerk all your life because your grandma kicked your cat sixty years ago. Accountability for choices... Chap

I agree! Lot's of common sense in this post! One of our problems is it's always someone else's fault!

[qmdv]

I am an hour south of Medford, OR. So that puts me about an 1.5 hrs south of Grants Pass. I have a pickup. If any of you guys have to fly to Medford to get this settled, I would do what I could to help you out. I am in town most of the time. You can PM me

[fottyjs]

This guy should be in jail!!!