1936 Model 51 Dump - GVWR - Commercial Reg. Issues

[flatford8]

Originally Posted by tubman

As a "city boy", let me see if I understand. Are you saying they add some chemical or something to the off-road gas so it can be easily detected?

Their talking about diesel fuel not gas...... Mark
There is “road use tax” on onroad fuel.

[Bob C]

In CA off road fuel has red dye in it.


Bob

[blucar]

Most states that have exemptions for "off road fuel tax" a red dye in the off road fuel.. In many states the fine is $150. per gallon of storage the tank can hold. ie; a 25 gal tank is 25 x $150. = $3,750.
I travel the western states on a regular basis driving many different sizes of vehicles, large diesel RV's, pickups pulling trailers and flatbed trucks.
In most states if the truck has dual rear wheels, more than two axles and has a flatbed and/or box, with a GVW in excess of 10K, in some cases the trigger is 16k, the vehicle is rated as commercial.
I know a lot of people that try to avoid the laws with vintage trucks that they claim are exempt from current DMV rules, however, when they get stopped by the law, they find themselves in deep trouble.

[Kerk]

have the Dealer sales book on Trucks for 1935. 36 would no doubt be the same! On pages 99 thru 101 all load specs are listed. Probably that might help with your problem. kerk

[skidmarks]

And i was told, once you get the red dye in large truck with 100 gallon or larger tanks it takes over 300 gallon of clear fuel to be run throught before it clears up

[VeryTangled]

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[Yoyodyne]

I think the super singles would be a great solution! If you want to go with historic/antique plates and have difficulty contact the ATHS club, they have gotten concessions from states to allow semi's to travel on antique plates and w/o logbooks and permits.

[bbook]

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Here is a another gvw list from the Truck ownwers manual for 36.

[bbook]

Attached.

[Newc]

Hi all; 4 trucks here with 'duals' all have 'antique vehicle ' plates, One is a WW2 6 by 2 1/2 ton military.It weighs 16,500 lbs empty, No problems.... However as the trucks are always empty I could just remove the outer tires and run them that way if necessary. The avatar uses super singles. Newc in Oregon

[LFEngineering]

I got motivated this past weekend and pulled 2 of the rear tires. After that I was able to get the truck to pass regular car inspection. This means I can use it as a daily-driver and haul whatever I want. Next step will be sourcing / building the super singles for the rear.

[trulyvintage]

Originally Posted by LFEngineering

I got motivated this past weekend and pulled 2 of the rear tires.

There is your solution.

If you are not loading the bed - drive it like that.

Problem solved.


Jim

[VeryTangled]

Hi Everyone, LFE, I'd say put the dualies back on and do as you like, but there is the issue of that local cherrytop that is on the lookout. Maybe let him drive it for a while? Just thinking here.

[Steve in Denver]

Just curious, what vehicle has 5 tires on the ground? A Morgan with Duelies on the back?

[tubman]

Originally Posted by Steve Kennedy

Just curious, what vehicle has 5 tires on the ground? A Morgan with Duelies on the back?

The only thing I can think of is one of the "buckboard" style cycle cars popular in the teens and twenties with a fifth "power wheel" on the back.

[50fordcoupeman]

Oregon also adds red dye only to diesel fuel for off-road use. Less tax on it but don't get caught using it in your highway vehicle-farm or construction use only. Remember DMV is here to help........................

[LFEngineering]

I ended up going with Opiton B. Custom super singles: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262349

[modeleh]

After reading this I couldn’t help but wonder if they consider Motorhomes as commercial vehicles. Most all are duallys and some are tag axles. There must be a loophole for RVs. Maybe you could keep a portapotti in the back of your truck and when the cop asks for your commercial registration you could tell him that’s where he’ll find it.

[cas3]

a few years ago the cops here went to the high school and ticketed the kids who drove pickups with farm plates on them. to them, going to school is not farm related. there was quite an uproar about it, and i've not heard of them doing it again. anything for easy money it seems.

[1ton]

Back to the original question....If Roger Penske were to interpret this rule he probably would put a smaller tire on the inside duals so they are not "on the ground"