Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-04-2023, 02:24 PM   #1
Bored&Stroked
Senior Member
 
Bored&Stroked's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 5,910
Default Re: Mix match 8Ba & 59A pulley/distributors etc

Couple very important things to know about that adapter:

1) If you're running a 59A style cam, you'll probably find that when you put the stock bolts into this adapter, that they might hit the timing cover. When this happens a bunch of metal gets ground off and thrown down into the oil. You may need to modify the adapter to use different fasteners with countersunk heads on them. Something like this:

https://www.mcmaster.com/products/sc...head-screws-9/

2) IMPORTANT: Stock 49-53 cams had an oil-pressure port/hole in the front bearing journal - that fed positive oil pressure to the front of the snout of the cam. The front surface of the cam is a "thrust surface" - if you don't provide a reliable amount of oil-pressure, then it will gall over time. Again - more metal filings in your oil and a cam that is now walking back and forth.

a) CAM: You need to look at a 49-53 CAM, see what was done with the pressurized oil port and replicate it with your 59x type cam. It can't be done with the cam in the engine! You have to drill the cam in two places ---> one in the journal and another through the front of it to hit the journal oil hole.

b) Adapter: It needs to be drilled to allow pressurized oil to reach the front thrust surface. You also want to make sure there is a good fitment on the backside of it (such that you don't have a big pressure leak between the 59X cam front surface and the back of the adapter.

The above usually requires some machine tools (mill, lathe, etc) and knowledge to get it right. If it is not right, then you'll most likely cause damage to the engine.

It is a SHAME that folks like Speedway sell products like this without instructions and warnings like the above.

Best of luck!

B&S
Bored&Stroked is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2023, 02:35 PM   #2
Jeep09
Member
 
Jeep09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2023
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 43
Default Re: Mix match 8Ba & 59A pulley/distributors etc

Thanks' for the input. I have picked up Motor City Flathead (8BA) motor with a few parts robbed off. I would like to use the 8BA front items, water pumps & a pass side distributor as I already have these items. Thanks for this valuable input
Jeep09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 12-05-2023, 12:14 AM   #3
outlaw
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Eagle River,Alaska
Posts: 372
Smile Re: Mix match 8Ba & 59A pulley/distributors etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked View Post
Couple very important things to know about that adapter:

1) If you're running a 59A style cam, you'll probably find that when you put the stock bolts into this adapter, that they might hit the timing cover. When this happens a bunch of metal gets ground off and thrown down into the oil. You may need to modify the adapter to use different fasteners with countersunk heads on them. Something like this:

https://www.mcmaster.com/products/sc...head-screws-9/

2) IMPORTANT: Stock 49-53 cams had an oil-pressure port/hole in the front bearing journal - that fed positive oil pressure to the front of the snout of the cam. The front surface of the cam is a "thrust surface" - if you don't provide a reliable amount of oil-pressure, then it will gall over time. Again - more metal filings in your oil and a cam that is now walking back and forth.

a) CAM: You need to look at a 49-53 CAM, see what was done with the pressurized oil port and replicate it with your 59x type cam. It can't be done with the cam in the engine! You have to drill the cam in two places ---> one in the journal and another through the front of it to hit the journal oil hole.

b) Adapter: It needs to be drilled to allow pressurized oil to reach the front thrust surface. You also want to make sure there is a good fitment on the backside of it (such that you don't have a big pressure leak between the 59X cam front surface and the back of the adapter.

The above usually requires some machine tools (mill, lathe, etc) and knowledge to get it right. If it is not right, then you'll most likely cause damage to the engine.

It is a SHAME that folks like Speedway sell products like this without instructions and warnings like the above.

Best of luck!

B&S
Dale, do you happen to have any pictures or diagrams on doing the modifications that you have recommended here? Pictures speak a thousand words & make it a lot easier to understand for any of us wanna be machinist types that like to do as much on our own as possible.
outlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2023, 10:25 AM   #4
Ken/Alabama
Senior Member
 
Ken/Alabama's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 3,455
Default Re: Mix match 8Ba & 59A pulley/distributors etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bored&Stroked View Post
Couple very important things to know about that adapter:

1) If you're running a 59A style cam, you'll probably find that when you put the stock bolts into this adapter, that they might hit the timing cover. When this happens a bunch of metal gets ground off and thrown down into the oil. You may need to modify the adapter to use different fasteners with countersunk heads on them. Something like this:

https://www.mcmaster.com/products/sc...head-screws-9/

2) IMPORTANT: Stock 49-53 cams had an oil-pressure port/hole in the front bearing journal - that fed positive oil pressure to the front of the snout of the cam. The front surface of the cam is a "thrust surface" - if you don't provide a reliable amount of oil-pressure, then it will gall over time. Again - more metal filings in your oil and a cam that is now walking back and forth.

a) CAM: You need to look at a 49-53 CAM, see what was done with the pressurized oil port and replicate it with your 59x type cam. It can't be done with the cam in the engine! You have to drill the cam in two places ---> one in the journal and another through the front of it to hit the journal oil hole.

b) Adapter: It needs to be drilled to allow pressurized oil to reach the front thrust surface. You also want to make sure there is a good fitment on the backside of it (such that you don't have a big pressure leak between the 59X cam front surface and the back of the adapter.

The above usually requires some machine tools (mill, lathe, etc) and knowledge to get it right. If it is not right, then you'll most likely cause damage to the engine.

It is a SHAME that folks like Speedway sell products like this without instructions and warnings like the above.

Best of luck!

B&S
I’ve never used one myself but what happens if you use the timing gears for the 59A that thrust the cam towards the block and not the front cover like the 8BA. ?
Ken/Alabama is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:51 PM.