TCP paints

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by wrndln

Thanks to all that posted responses. It appears that most people believe TCP Restoration Shop paint is good quality. I might give it a try on my pickup. If anyone has used Rock Moss Green, would you please post here to let me know if the color was correct. I had problems with two colors of PPG Concept, so I am a little concerned about paint from suppliers being the right color.
Rusty Nelson

Have you ever wondered how the TCP paint is so much less expensive than even the cheaper lines of PPG or DuPont (Omni or Nason)? When you compare other items that TCP sells, their pricing is inline with what other vendor are charging but the Restoration Shop paint pricing is more inline with Tractor Supply, Farm Fleet, et al. Is it really worth being that frugal? Only you can give the right answer to that question.

[pgerhardt]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

Have you ever wondered how the TCP paint is so much less expensive than even the cheaper lines of PPG or DuPont (Omni or Nason)? When you compare other items that TCP sells, their pricing is inline with what other vendor are charging but the Restoration Shop paint pricing is more inline with Tractor Supply, Farm Fleet, et al. Is it really worth being that frugal? Only you can give the right answer to that question.

Or you could flip that argument on its head, and wonder why some brands of paint are SO MUCH more expensive. (Maybe because the cost is often passed on through the body shops and insurance companies to consumers who know no better.) I would think that paint engineered for Tractor/farm fleet use would need to stand up to the most harsh out door conditions, and be more expensive. The fact is that most our model A's are pampered pets, and will almost never see harsh conditions. I know my F-150 lives outside so my model A doesn't have to!

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by pgerhardt

Or you could flip that argument on its head, and wonder why some brands of paint are SO MUCH more expensive. (Maybe because the cost is often passed on through the body shops and insurance companies to consumers who know no better.) I would think that paint engineered for Tractor/farm fleet use would need to stand up to the most harsh out door conditions, and be more expensive. The fact is that most our model A's are pampered pets, and will almost never see harsh conditions. I know my F-150 lives outside so my model A doesn't have to!

I believe your logic may have backfired on you. PPG's Concept is rarely ever used in the collision industry simply because it is a single-stage material whereas the overwhelming majority of paint used in the collision field is BC/CC. Second, in the collision world, it is the insurance company's who have effectively caused the paint manufacturers to now produce a cheaper quality of paint (Omni, Nason, Limco, etc.) ...because as you stated, most of the consumers do not know the difference. Third, if you have ever looked at cheap implement paint after it has been sprayed for a year or so, there are two distinct characteristics, -the pigments are always cloudy, and the sheen has always died down. The bottom line is just this, there are different quality levels of reproduction parts for our Model-A, and there are different quality levels of paints. For some hobbyists, they cannot tell the difference between a quality reproduction part and an inferior repro part. Others, can easily spot the differences.

[pgerhardt]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I believe your logic may have backfired on you. PPG's Concept is rarely ever used in the collision industry simply because it is a single-stage material whereas the overwhelming majority of paint used in the collision field is BC/CC. Second, in the collision world, it is the insurance company's who have effectively caused the paint manufacturers to now produce a cheaper quality of paint (Omni, Nason, Limco, etc.) ...because as you stated, most of the consumers do not know the difference. Third, if you have ever looked at cheap implement paint after it has been sprayed for a year or so, there are two distinct characteristics, -the pigments are always cloudy, and the sheen has always died down. The bottom line is just this, there are different quality levels of reproduction parts for our Model-A, and there are different quality levels of paints. For some hobbyists, they cannot tell the difference between a quality reproduction part and an inferior repro part. Others, can easily spot the differences.

I like reasoned civil discussions regarding issues like this. I concede your point about collision work. But I have not been convinced by any specific hard information that any brand of paint is worth over $500 a gallon, nor that it is needed for our model A's. For reasonably priced paint you stated, "after a year...there are two distinct characteristics, -the pigments are always cloudy, and the sheen has always died down". But why? Are they more susceptible to UV light, oxidation, or air pollution? I do believe that even the most economical paint of today has to be better at retaining color & shine than the nitrocellulose lacquer originally used on model A's. Almost all period photos of model A's shows an almost flat finish!

So lets accept that $500/gallon paint will provide superior protection against UV light, air pollution, and oxidation. There is still the question of, does our pampered model A's that rarely see a rain drop, and spend 95% of their life under cover inside, really need $500/gallon worth of protection?

Let me be clear. If I was going to have any work done to my model A I would send it to Brent. (If I could afford him.) His pursuit of excellence is inspiring. But in this case I need to know exactly what I would be getting for my money before spending over $500/gallon to use the elite brand.

[John Duden]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

I believe your logic may have backfired on you. PPG's Concept is rarely ever used in the collision industry simply because it is a single-stage material whereas the overwhelming majority of paint used in the collision field is BC/CC. Second, in the collision world, it is the insurance company's who have effectively caused the paint manufacturers to now produce a cheaper quality of paint (Omni, Nason, Limco, etc.) ...because as you stated, most of the consumers do not know the difference. Third, if you have ever looked at cheap implement paint after it has been sprayed for a year or so, there are two distinct characteristics, -the pigments are always cloudy, and the sheen has always died down. The bottom line is just this, there are different quality levels of reproduction parts for our Model-A, and there are different quality levels of paints. For some hobbyists, they cannot tell the difference between a quality reproduction part and an inferior repro part. Others, can easily spot the differences.

i beg to differ on the fact that the paint gets cloudly over time. IF properly taken care of , washed, waxed, and not set outside implement paint holds up very good. We have tractors from the 70's that look like they were painted a year ago. AND WE USE THEM ALL SUMMER AND WINTER!
When you take care of things, things last

[Jeff/Illinois]

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Originally Posted by John Duden

i beg to differ on the fact that the paint gets cloudly over time. IF properly taken care of , washed, waxed, and not set outside implement paint holds up very good. We have tractors from the 70's that look like they were painted a year ago. AND WE USE THEM ALL SUMMER AND WINTER!
When you take care of things, things last

John you are talking about John Deere! I retired out of the E. Moline Harvester Division, and worked in D. 915 paint prep for some time. Deere buys their paint from Valspar which was just bought out by Sherwin Williams.

I can guarantee you that Deere has a continually operating lab with a chemist devoted to nothing but paint just at the Harv. Wks.
(The other facilities are similarly equipped) and we also have an experimental grounds that do very extensive tests on paint durability. Take a look at how even the first STS combines from 15 years ago still shine when cleaned up!!!!!!