The Ford Barn

Steve Plucker · 02-11-2013, 10:23 PM

ACCORDING TO FORD’S RECORDS OF DAILY PRODUCED ENGINES, THAT WERE ASSEMBLED BETWEEN JULY 9, 1928, (#236,787), AND OCTOBER 2, 1928, (#477,642), A NUMBER OF “SPECIAL EXPERIMENTAL” ENGINES WERE PRODUCED. THE RETURN OIL PIPE ASSEMBLY, A-6645, ALONG WITH THE OIL RETURN PIPE CONECTIONS ON THE BLOCK, A-6015, AND VALVE COVER CHAMBER, A-6520, WERE ALL DELETED. THE ADDITION OF OIL RETURN HOLES WERE DRILLED ON THE FLOOR OF THE VALVE CHAMBER TO ALLOW THE OIL TO DRAIN BACK INTO THE OIL PAN. EACH ENGINE HAD THE REGULAR MODEL A ENGINE NUMBER STAMPING TO INDICATE 1928 PRODUCTION. BETWEEN 1353 AND 1355 ENGINES OF THIS TYPE WERE BUILT. THESE CAN BE SUBSTANUATED BY THE “RELEASE” DATA OF APRIL 23, 1928 FOR EACH SPECIFIC PART AND THOSE FEW WHICH HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED TODAY. ONE ENGINE NUMBER WHICH HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED SO FAR IS #286,625 (JULY 29, 1928). I AM SURE THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHERS.

Does anyone have such a block? I need some photos for a revised article in Model A News.

1. Right side of block with valve chamber cover on the block;

2. Inside the valve chamber area showing the holes on the floor of the valve chamber.

Thanks.

Pluck

Joe K · 02-11-2013, 10:42 PM

I've heard of these blocks. Never seen one.

I think mentioned in the DeAngelis book? "The Model A as Henry Ford Built It?" He talks about it but doesn't have a pix.

Joe K

dave in australia · 02-12-2013, 12:58 AM

Years ago, a couple of pictures were posted on the old fordbarn board of one of these engines. I had copies until my computer crashed. If someone has these, it would be nice to see a repost of them.

Mike V. Florida · 02-12-2013, 01:36 AM

I know a couple of people have all the old stuff archived, I hope they read this and post the pictures.

Steve Sturim · 02-12-2013, 08:36 AM

I have one of these blocks with the correct original side valve cover. The serial number is *A259209*, it was originally in a 1928 Tudor Sedan. The block was on display at the 2006 MARC National Meet in Grand Rapids, MI were my friend George DeAngelis gave me the history of these blocks and was very impressed with our example. Steve & Rick Sturim, Steve's Antique Auto Repair.

Jerry Wilhelm · 02-12-2013, 10:19 AM

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Steve, I had one in my Town Car. I do not remember the serial number.

Jim Brierley · 02-12-2013, 10:40 AM

Steve, if there were holes in the floor of the valve chamber, how did the mains get oil?

Steve Plucker · 02-12-2013, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Brierley

Steve, if there were holes in the floor of the valve chamber, how did the mains get oil?

Jim,

The mains got oil in their regular way...there was no difference there...just the addition of X number of holes on the floor of the valve chamber itself to direct the oil back into the crankcase.

Pluck

Terry Longest · 02-12-2013, 02:05 PM

Anyone know why the experiment did not make it to regular production?

kelley's restoration · 02-12-2013, 04:37 PM

i saw one at a swap meet a few years ago
tk

Garage Dog · 02-12-2013, 05:34 PM

Would like to see what one looks like.

Rowdy · 02-12-2013, 05:58 PM

The block for Dad's coupe falls in this range. However it was not one of the experimental ones. I had a valve chamber cover for one, but when the old parts barn fell down it was broke. It was scrapped after that. Rod

Steve Plucker · 02-14-2013, 10:05 AM

If anyone can provide a couple of photos it sure would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Pluck

Steve Sturim · 02-14-2013, 06:52 PM

Sent you photos today.

Steve Plucker · 02-14-2013, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Sturim

Sent you photos today.

Steve,

Got the photos...Great shots...Thank you.

If I could post photos on this site I surely would as there are some who would also like to know what this block looked like....

Thanks again.

Pluck

Joe K · 02-14-2013, 07:57 PM

Take pix with your cellphone if you don't have a scanner.

Actually, if this an electronic file, why not?

Or put it on photobuddy.com or one of the online photo hosting sites.

And then do the (img)photo url(/img) trick

substitute [] for () to make this work.

Joe K

JoeWay · 02-14-2013, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

Steve,

Got the photos...Great shots...Thank you.

If I could post photos on this site I surely would as there are some who would also like to know what this block looked like....

Thanks again.

Pluck

Steve, send them to me and I'll put them up for you.

Joe

James Rogers · 02-15-2013, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Plucker

Steve,

Got the photos...Great shots...Thank you.

If I could post photos on this site I surely would as there are some who would also like to know what this block looked like....

Thanks again.

Pluck

Pluck, I got an oil pan in yesterday that I have never seen a dipper tray like this. It snaps in like all the rest but the baffles have ribs in them and the troughs are very small and just large enough for the dipper. the pan has the removable oil inspection plate and looks like any other early pan I have. The block was a 5 digit from Canada but might have been a US motor and was cracked so I let it go back to the customer.

Steve Sturim · 02-15-2013, 08:38 AM

Joe, I can also send them to you, if you would send me your email address. Steve

Steve Sturim · 02-15-2013, 08:39 AM

James, I have seen these before, they are early '28 used right after the bolt in tray. Steve

02-11-2013, 10:23 PM	#1
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... ACCORDING TO FORD’S RECORDS OF DAILY PRODUCED ENGINES, THAT WERE ASSEMBLED BETWEEN JULY 9, 1928, (#236,787), AND OCTOBER 2, 1928, (#477,642), A NUMBER OF “SPECIAL EXPERIMENTAL” ENGINES WERE PRODUCED. THE RETURN OIL PIPE ASSEMBLY, A-6645, ALONG WITH THE OIL RETURN PIPE CONECTIONS ON THE BLOCK, A-6015, AND VALVE COVER CHAMBER, A-6520, WERE ALL DELETED. THE ADDITION OF OIL RETURN HOLES WERE DRILLED ON THE FLOOR OF THE VALVE CHAMBER TO ALLOW THE OIL TO DRAIN BACK INTO THE OIL PAN. EACH ENGINE HAD THE REGULAR MODEL A ENGINE NUMBER STAMPING TO INDICATE 1928 PRODUCTION. BETWEEN 1353 AND 1355 ENGINES OF THIS TYPE WERE BUILT. THESE CAN BE SUBSTANUATED BY THE “RELEASE” DATA OF APRIL 23, 1928 FOR EACH SPECIFIC PART AND THOSE FEW WHICH HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED TODAY. ONE ENGINE NUMBER WHICH HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED SO FAR IS #286,625 (JULY 29, 1928). I AM SURE THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHERS. Does anyone have such a block? I need some photos for a revised article in Model A News. 1. Right side of block with valve chamber cover on the block; 2. Inside the valve chamber area showing the holes on the floor of the valve chamber. Thanks. Pluck Last edited by Steve Plucker; 02-14-2013 at 10:08 AM.

02-12-2013, 12:58 AM	#3
dave in australia Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,262	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Years ago, a couple of pictures were posted on the old fordbarn board of one of these engines. I had copies until my computer crashed. If someone has these, it would be nice to see a repost of them.

02-12-2013, 08:36 AM	#5
Steve Sturim Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 67	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... I have one of these blocks with the correct original side valve cover. The serial number is A259209, it was originally in a 1928 Tudor Sedan. The block was on display at the 2006 MARC National Meet in Grand Rapids, MI were my friend George DeAngelis gave me the history of these blocks and was very impressed with our example. Steve & Rick Sturim, Steve's Antique Auto Repair.

02-12-2013, 10:19 AM	#6
Jerry Wilhelm Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 20	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Steve, I had one in my Town Car. I do not remember the serial number.

02-12-2013, 10:40 AM	#7
Jim Brierley Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 4,321	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Steve, if there were holes in the floor of the valve chamber, how did the mains get oil?

02-11-2013, 10:42 PM	#2
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 5,021	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... I've heard of these blocks. Never seen one. I think mentioned in the DeAngelis book? "The Model A as Henry Ford Built It?" He talks about it but doesn't have a pix. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

02-12-2013, 01:36 AM	#4
Mike V. Florida Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida between Sarasota and TampaSouth Florida Posts: 14,054	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... I know a couple of people have all the old stuff archived, I hope they read this and post the pictures. __________________ What's right about America is that although we have a mess of problems, we have great capacity - intellect and resources - to do some thing about them. - Henry Ford II

02-12-2013, 02:05 PM	#9
Terry Longest Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Opelika, AL Posts: 74	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Anyone know why the experiment did not make it to regular production?

02-12-2013, 04:37 PM	#10
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02-12-2013, 05:34 PM	#11
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Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... The block for Dad's coupe falls in this range. However it was not one of the experimental ones. I had a valve chamber cover for one, but when the old parts barn fell down it was broke. It was scrapped after that. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

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Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... If anyone can provide a couple of photos it sure would be appreciated. Thanks. Pluck

02-14-2013, 06:52 PM	#14
Steve Sturim Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 67	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Sent you photos today.

02-14-2013, 07:57 PM	#16
Joe K Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cow Hampshire Posts: 5,021	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Take pix with your cellphone if you don't have a scanner. Actually, if this an electronic file, why not? Or put it on photobuddy.com or one of the online photo hosting sites. And then do the (img)photo url(/img) trick substitute [] for () to make this work. Joe K __________________ Shudda kept the horse.

02-15-2013, 08:38 AM	#19
Steve Sturim Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 67	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... Joe, I can also send them to you, if you would send me your email address. Steve

02-15-2013, 08:39 AM	#20
Steve Sturim Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 67	Re: Special Model A "Experimental" Cylinder Blocks... James, I have seen these before, they are early '28 used right after the bolt in tray. Steve