Can't Get Hub On

[Y-Blockhead]

Originally Posted by nkaminar

The shoes are off center. Either sand them where they are high or adjust the centering. You can use sidewalk chalk to tell where the high spots are.

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Another twist. I take the drum and backing plate off leaving the shoes installed. I put the drum on the ffoor and put the backing plate (with the shoes still installed) and it goes in with plenty of clearance. The drum measures 11" and outside to outside on the shoes measures 10 3/4". Now install the backing plate and the drum is very difficult to put on.

Like Neil sez, your shoes are not centered.

[Lawrie]

If using floaters,. CHECK the little plate that the rollers fit into is the right way around,AND that the bit thats below the roller cutout does not foul on the inside of the shoes. in the pic it looks like they do.
I had to grind a small amount off to get them to fit properly
Lawrie

[Brentwood Bob]

The right brake shoe adjusting shaft looks longer than the left. It could also be incorrectly installed.

[JayJay]

In the photo: flip the left spring over so the coil is not resting on the shoe. The way it is now, the pull from the two springs is not equal. It also looks to me like the adjusting shaft on the left shoe is longer than the one on the right. Either of those could contribute to the shoes being off center. Maybe you should start with new adjusting shafts for both shoes, rather than futzing around with them now that you've ground them?

Also, I think there’s supposed to be a long spring between the two shoes at the adjuster end?

[The Old Guy]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

The pictures. Does everything look right?

I don't know the nomenclature on the Model A brakes but it looks to me like The pin on the right side is not into the top center piece as far as the left one. Also, the spring on the bottom right side in the picture is somewhat stretched and the one on the left side is completely relaxed. It looks like something is holding the right brake shoe out farther than the left one. If so, that would make it off center.....



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[Bruce of MN]

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Originally Posted by JayJay

Also, I think there’s supposed to be a long spring between the two shoes at the adjuster end?

See instruction 11. The long spring is left off.

[JayJay]

Originally Posted by Bruce of MN

See instruction 11. The long spring is left off.

Thanks, Bruce. Learned something new again.

[[email protected]]

Fuzzy from the Sacramento Capitol's Model A Club put his new shoes on and everything went on perfectly. So the shoes are bad. Do you see the ripples in the shoe, don't know if this normal.

[California Charlie]

One of the brake adjusting shafts appears slightly longer than the other. They should be equal in length against the adjusting wedge.

[nkaminar]

With the Flat Head Ted kit the adjustment wedge floats back and forth so the adjusting shafts will move in and out together. This how the self actuating force gets transferred to the other shoe.

[[email protected]]

Can anyone explain the following: I take the drum and backing plate off leaving the shoes installed. I put the drum on the foor and put the backing plate (with the shoes still installed) and it goes in with plenty of clearance. If I install the backing plate with the shoes & install the backing plate on the axle the drum is very difficult to put on. Don't say the axle is bent because I tried it on 3 different axles.

[Lawrie]

the shoes are not concentric with the drum
Lawrie

[Sunny the Model A]

the shoes are off set relative to the axle, basically one shoe is sticking out too far causing the drag. try removing only one shoe while the plate is on the axle. use a zip tie or any piece of wire to secure the top of the remaining shoe to the backing plate. my guess is the same as Lawrie. one of the A2042 adjusting shafts is longer than the other causing the problem.

[JayJay]

A long shot - is there something in the adjuster housing that is interfering with the adjusting shaft properly bottoming against the adjusting wedge?

[nkaminar]

With the FHT kit the adjusting wedge floats so there is nothing wrong with the adjustment shafts. John can just push the one that is sticking out further in and the other one will move out.

The problem is in the roller tracks. The shoes are not centered because the roller tracks are not correct. This would move the shoes horizontal in the rear brakes. In the front the shoes would be moved up or down.

It could also be that the roller pins are not riding on the roller tracks but I think John would notice that. If that is the case a screw driver can be used to lever the shoe into the proper position.

The center gauge that the usual vendors sell is a good tool to gauge if the shoes are centered. Lacking that tool a ruler can be used measured against the lip on the backing plate or the shaft.

[updraught]

Have a look at the first part of the video on centering the rear brakes and measuring from the bearing surface.
Something is skew wiff.

https://youtu.be/lcJ5LUbmro0?si=D6UwVU3wlb8nxRpF

[Big hammer]

Looking at Synders online catalog they show 3or 4 FDT kits, the deluxe kit has the heavy duty parts ?! In reading the installation instructions the long shoe spring is not used , on the rear brakes the lower shoe could sag if the short springs are weak and then when putting the drum on the lower shoe could twist or turn on the adjuster pins ?! I don’t understand why Ted wants you to remove that long spring that would help in centering the shoes in the relaxed state ?! More questions than answers on after market kits

[nkaminar]

I think Ted wants you to remove the long spring to make the floating part work better. I put the long spring back on mine and it works fine.

[[email protected]]

nkaminar you said: "The problem is in the roller tracks. The shoes are not centered because the roller tracks are not correct" How do I center the roller Tracks? And how are the roller tracks not correct?

[[email protected]]

I got new shoes from Snyders. I put them on an, still the same problem, even worse because the drum on the otherside is now very difficult to turn. I shortened the Brake Adjusting Shaft (Snyders A-2042) and now everything turns but I wasn't able to do a good job on shortening them on the grinder so they bind when I turn the Brake Adjusting Shaft. People herein talk about centering the shoes. I see nothing to adjust that would "center" the shoes. The ridge on the Brake Cam (Snyders A-2230) fits nicely between the rollers and the Brake Adjusting Shaft (Snyders A-2042) fits nicely into it's component.